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Message: [QUOTE="superjohn, post: 5281075, member: 1522"] It's ridiculous by our standards but I'm sure they look at how relaxed we are with our laws and enforcement of our laws and think we're ridiculous. In 2022 Indonesia's murder rate was .3 per 100,000 people. The US murder rate was 6.3 per 100,000 people. You can come to the US and make a mockery out of our laws but it's not like that in many other places in the world. I feel terrible for him and his family but he brought it on himself. [/QUOTE]