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Message: [QUOTE="bballnut90, post: 3647653, member: 2117"] Most teams have turnover, and much greater turnover than Phoenix has. She's had the same coach for 7 years, DT has been there healthy 5 of the 7 years, she had Bonner all but 1 year too. After the brilliant 2014 season, DT/Taylor sat out and Phoenix was still quite good, going 20-14 and finishing 2nd in the west. It was when DT came back from 2016-2018 where Phoenix was surprisingly underwhelming, going 16-18, 18-16, and 20-14 over the next 3 seasons with both of them being fully healthy and Bonner there for 2 of the years. 4 straight years with Dupree. Same coach, same core, same system. She has a great resume, but it hasn't translated to ample team success aside from the 2014 season. You The talent pool is a lot better but Griner is still by far the tallest/longest player in the league. Watching her today she is absolutely unstoppable 1 on 1. She's more nimble than almost any other 6-5/6-6 player in the league, and she's a full 3 inches taller than those players with great touch inside. True, but good centers play with determination, post hard every play. She's played her entire career with a great passer in Taurasi True, but she just isn't a good rebounder. Never has been, likely never will be. She isn't blocking shots every possession and doesn't have good rebounding fundamentals. Paris was never close to dominating like Griner did unless you solely look at stats. Griner straight up shut down opposing offenses unlike anyone else in the country. Paris was undersized, too heavy and never had the frame or skills that would transition well to the pros. Opposing bigs who were skilled consistently had field days against Oklahoma and they only made it past the Sweet 16 once in her career. There's a reason she dropped to 7th in the draft despite being a 4x All American. Griner physically is most unique player the league has ever seen. Size wise, she's like a modern day Wilt Chamberlain. At the end of the day winning and performing on the biggest stage is what determines a lot of a player's legacy. One final appearance in 7 years while playing along side DT for 5 of those years is underwhelming. Of the others mentioned, EDD has played in 3 finals and won 1 in the same time frame as BG, DT/Bird have won 3 each, Wilson is just in her 2nd year, Maya played in 6 finals over 8 years, etc. [/QUOTE]

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