A somewhat realistic realignment scenario we should be rooting for

[Billy Jack]

I’m not sure of your point. Jay retired because he agrees.

You know why Jay Wright retired? You must be the only one who believes what you’ve posted because even the Philadelphia insiders are leaking anything consistent with your theory.

The only thing that would validate what you’re saying would be for Jay to pop up at a P2 school. But that hasn’t happened. Maryland hired Kevin Willard, not Jay Wright. There are no rumors about Jay taking another job either in college or the NBA.

 

[Hoophound]

There’s been plenty of rumors that Jay quit because the new free agency model isn’t for him. I think he preferred to get out rather than scramble all the time. Whether or not there are other reasons, I don’t know. I’m not insinuating he left for a bigger college job, I’m insinuating that the game is changing to a system of haves and have nots and he’s not interested.

Yes, there are good coaches at all levels, but that is a stupid argument. Great coaches are almost always going to take the money and run. Good luck finding the next Calhoun or Wright and then convincing him he should stick around for 25% of what he’s worth on the open market. The unlikelihood of finding him is bad enough, keeping him makes it even tougher, especially when you’re broke. UConn and Nova fans have no interest in being a stepping stone for great college coaches.

 

[noeynox]

Football is a very expensive sport to run. Most schools in FBS lose money on football. It’s not how much money you take in, it’s how much money is left over after you pay the bills.

Paying a lot of money to a basketball coach is not an automatic formula for establishing a winning program. Texas lured Shaka away from VCU after he got them to a Final Four with a big pay day. That didn’t get them to the promises land. Neither did grabbing Crean from Marquette after he got them to the Final Four get Indiana back to their old days.

That's not really the point. The fact is if a school in that group wants Shaka, or Crean, or Wright, it Hurley, they're going to offer $$$ the rest will not be able to keep the guy. If that guy doesn't work out at Bama or Texas they simply pay him to go away. You saw UConn twist themselves into a pretzel to not pay Ollie. Those schools will never have that problem. They'll pay guys just to go away.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Football (and basketball and the other Olympic sports to lesser degrees) don't have to make money to be a positive for a university. If they make some money, then great. Either way, they are ways to enrich the student body experience while on campus and even more importantly they keep connections to alums that donate money to the general endowment. It's like getting paid to advertise to you customer base. The Big10 takes it a step further and has brilliantly inter-woven sports and academics/academic research via the Big Ten Academic Alliance and the AAU - this brings BILLIONS of federal research dollars into their schools and makes for a golden goose that far outweighs whether they break even within their AD's (which they all do and then some, BTW). Sports brings in millions while endowments and research grants bring in hundreds of millions and billions.

 

[The Yakk]

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Yes, and he left because he saw the writing on the wall for Nova.

The NIL era basically ended him. But it didn't have to be that way, if Nova had top level football.

You make Hoophound's point for him.

 

[Bobol]

Have Nova and Delaware move up to FBS and that’s 7 teams for an Alliance of Eastern Independence for both scheduling and a TV deal.
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That ship has sailed for Nova in 2013 with the breakup of the for big East football conference.

Nova has absolutely no interest whatsoever in going FBS merely to play an Independent schedule or participate in an irrelevant FBS conference with minimal TV revenue or exposure.

 

[Zissou]

That ship has sailed for Nova in 2013 with the breakup of the for big East football conference.

Nova has absolutely no interest whatsoever in going FBS merely to play an Independent schedule or participate in an irrelevant FBS conference with minimal TV revenue or exposure.

Maybe UConn and Nova have better football futures than their current state, maybe not.

 

[Billy Jack]

Football (and basketball and the other Olympic sports to lesser degrees) don't have to make money to be a positive for a university. If they make some money, then great. Either way, they are ways to enrich the student body experience while on campus and even more importantly they keep connections to alums that donate money to the general endowment. It's like getting paid to advertise to you customer base. The Big10 takes it a step further and has brilliantly inter-woven sports and academics/academic research via the Big Ten Academic Alliance and the AAU - this brings BILLIONS of federal research dollars into their schools and makes for a golden goose that far outweighs whether they break even within their AD's (which they all do and then some, BTW). Sports brings in millions while endowments and research grants bring in hundreds of millions and billions.

Football is also a good way to destroy the brains of the students who participate in it through CTE. Universities shouldn’t be in the business of running minor league sports to begin with, but in the case of football, we have a particularly nasty enterprise that we’re supporting.

 

[Billy Jack]

Yes, and he left because he saw the writing on the wall for Nova.

The NIL era basically ended him. But it didn't have to be that way, if Nova had top level football.

You make Hoophound's point for him.

Link?

 

[Billy Jack]

There’s been plenty of rumors that Jay quit because the new free agency model isn’t for him. I think he preferred to get out rather than scramble all the time. Whether or not there are other reasons, I don’t know. I’m not insinuating he left for a bigger college job, I’m insinuating that the game is changing to a system of haves and have nots and he’s not interested.

Yes, there are good coaches at all levels, but that is a stupid argument. Great coaches are almost always going to take the money and run. Good luck finding the next Calhoun or Wright and then convincing him he should stick around for 25% of what he’s worth on the open market. The unlikelihood of finding him is bad enough, keeping him makes it even tougher, especially when you’re broke. UConn and Nova fans have no interest in being a stepping stone for great college coaches.

I see. So now you’re citing “rumors” as the basis for why Jay Wright retired and for what his personal, private thoughts are. Care to post a link so we can all have access to this font of knowledge and be able to assess its validity for ourselves?

And next you claim that my argument is “stupid”. That’s a well reasoned position, right. And it’s also the last resort for someone who has no actual come back.

Following your reasoning, there’s no way that Calhoun or Wright should have stuck around where they were over the past 30 years because even then, there were schools with deeper pockets. There’s no way that Mark Few should have stuck around at Gonzaga. No way that Coach K should have stuck around at Duke because he was constantly being recruited by NBA teams throwing bigger money at him than he ever got at Duke.

Jay Wright making 25% of his value in the open market? He’s the 5th highest paid coach in college basketball. Why would he retire now when he’s making just about as much money as anyone can in his sport. Because he’s afraid of what might happen wome day down the road? If it’s about that makes no sense because his decision was about now, not years from now.

Look at the next highest laid coach right in front of him. John Calipari. Kentucky hired him to bring them championships. He won one NC 10 years ago. Despite getting the best high school talent in the country year after year, Coach Cal has come up empty for a decade. So much for buying success.

 

[ZooCougar]

Another scenario is Big East expansion to add Kansas, K State, Iowa State, Temple, and Cincy as full members.

This fills out and balances the east/west footprint.

East 8: UConn, Providence, St Johns, Seton Hall, Nova, Georgetown, Temple, Cincy.

West 8: Marquette, DePaul, X, Butler, Creighton, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State.

For football:
Kansas, K State, Iowa State, UConn, Temple, Cincy and Nova. Add Army, Navy, and UMass as football only members for a 10 team Big East football conference.

Keep the TV contract for football separate from the base conference TV contract to mitigate the conflict of the old Big East model.

Expect $6M per program for the hoops based TV contract.

Army / Navy game is ~$4/M per program. Keep that separate.

Fox TV football contract: Kansas, K State, Iowa State, and Cincy get $20M each. The other 6 get $5 each. That’s $110M per year averaging $11M per program, a fair amount for Fox to spend.

Fox wins: they get an enhanced Big East basketball schedule with Kansas and added games for a very fair price. They get football at a very fair price. They lock up a piece of the east coast market with a unique new configuration.

Big 12 schools that are added win: they get $20M + $6M which exceeds their projected B12 value after the Texas and OU departures. They also get a more regional base for all sports.

Big East basketball-only schools win. Kansas ups the conference value and the east/west division model is regionally strong.

UConn and Nova win. Although not an equal football payout share, they have a football conference with much improved revenue. $6M + $5M.

UMass, Army, and Navy win. A football home with a better schedule and more revenue.

Temple wins big! Full membership for basketball and football. $11M.

That will never happen.

 

[ZooCougar]

This is not plausible in the current world. $25M for tv rights for those Big 12 schools might be "ok" but they would lose the $10-15M a year they get from the CFP. Part of what makes the P5 the P5 is the tons of money they get from bowls and the playoff. TV money is only a piece of the equation.

The Big 12 is going to land somewhere between AAC and ACC money. $25M is right there.

There is no such thing as the P5 anymore.