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Message: [QUOTE="Zissou, post: 2189400, member: 7920"] It's true that Penn State was voted down, but I don't think the 3 votes against were ever verified. I don't doubt, however, that Nova was one of them. Nova also failed to step up a few times when the Big East needed them most. The article you reference dreams that Penn State and others remained independent in football, not in a conference. Maybe that could have happened, but it doesn't consider the change in TV contracts in the late 80s and through the 90s. The conference structure provided an entity to negotiate directly with TV networks. The ND independent deal would have been difficult to copy for most independents. I doubt ND and MD join the Big East in this dream. We can only look forward at this point. [/QUOTE]