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Message: [QUOTE="RuffRuff, post: 5347805, member: 1268"] The way they teach pitching these days is so advanced - in terms of how they measure data points, teach mechanics, use the funnel. Not sure that's right. There were a lot more "nibblers" back in the days - guys like Jamie Moyer, who would nibble the strike zone throwing mid 80's. Those kind of guys don't exist anymore. They were effective and you might perceive them as better pitchers, but stuff was meh. Easier to bang corners when you're chucking it in the 80s. [/QUOTE]