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Message: [QUOTE="freescooter, post: 5340108, member: 1023"] I think a lot of these guys who are successful don’t quite get how tough it is to succeed at a mid-level P4 program where there is already a pretty well established hierarchy. Wisconsin is one of the B list Big 10 programs. They can have pretty good teams but they need to climb over too many others to win the conference championship. Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon, all need to off plus Wisconsin needs to have a great team that year for them to win the Big 10. The have been to a championship game a time or 2 but haven’t won the Big10 since 2012. We’ve seen this movie before. Butch Jones at Tennessee, Tom Herman at Texas, and a bunch, Charlie Strong at Texas. All of them had great things going where they were, moved up and didn’t succeed or didn’t succeed enough. PS we might be adding Kelly to the list in a weird way. Popular and reasonably successful at ND. But LSU is maybe not B list but A- in the SEC. [/QUOTE]