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Durr pushes Lou to #1
Page moves Penn St to #6, in a stellar year for the BiG
NC St & Michigan with their best classes in years

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VG - How does a 2-14-36-38 class rank higher than a 1-4-12 class? Not being critical - just curious about the concept.

lol. Yeah, I know I'm going to hear about that.
It's a point system.
Louisville's players are 994,840,702,637
UConn's are 997,962,899

A school's point total is 60% the sum + 40% the average of the players.

It used to be 100% sum, so this is an attempt to better reward smaller, high-quality classes.

I may need to reconsider this for future years. But it's a difficult balancing act.
 
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lol. Yeah, I know I'm going to hear about that.
It's a point system.
Louisville's players are 994,840,702,637
UConn's are 997,962,899

A school's point total is 60% the sum + 40% the average of the players.

It used to be 100% sum, so this is an attempt to better reward smaller, high-quality classes.

I may need to reconsider this for future years. But it's a difficult balancing act.
Got it - larger class = more points. Kinda suspected that.

Love your work!
 

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It used to be 100% sum, so this is an attempt to better reward smaller, high-quality classes.

I may need to reconsider this for future years. But it's a difficult balancing act.
My first reaction was why reward the sheer fact of more bodies at all?

But granted, within comparable quality ranges (the upper ones, however defined; probably extending further than UConn fans would consider upper), more is better.

Maybe flip the weighting next year and see if the results are less counter-intuitive than the selected example.
 

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Having the top class is great but filling the needs for the team are the most important. UConn did that with this class. Yes UConn could use more top players but with who is on UConns roster and who has verballed UConn is in a great position.
 
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My first reaction was why reward the sheer fact of more bodies at all?

If you do a pure average, then the best possible class would be the #1 player alone.
But surely that's not better than a class with the #2, #3, #4, and #5 players.
 

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If you do a pure average, then the best possible class would be the #1 player alone.
But surely that's not better than a class with the #2, #3, #4, and #5 players.
Agreed. That was the point of my second sentence.

Still, the weighting is a tricky business. Requires an ongoing heuristic approach.
 
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I haven't read through the Durr thread so this might have been discussed there, but I have to believe that with her on board, Walsh has a really good shot at getting at least one of the top three posts still remaining (Brown, Mompremier and McCowan).

(BTW vowelguy, the team color coding is pretty impressive!)
 

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Thanks for using a word this dummy has never seen.

Can't you dumb it down a little?

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/heuristic
Dictionary better than thesaurus.

"3. of, pertaining to, or based on experimentation, evaluation, or trial-and-error methods."

I mean the experiment, trial-and-error, method by which VG is developing his system -- a work in progress.

When the current formula produces a result that would strike most people as intuitively wrong, you consider making adjustments.
 

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Dictionary better than thesaurus.

"3. of, pertaining to, or based on experimentation, evaluation, or trial-and-error methods."

I mean the experiment, trial-and-error, method by which VG is developing his system -- a work in progress.

When the current formula produces a result that would strike most people as intuitively wrong, you consider making adjustments.
Yeah, but there has to be a word you could have used so I wouldn't have to look it up. I bet most posters here couldn't give you the definition of that word.
 
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I do a ranking using VG's player ranking and the following point system based on the recruit's rank:

Rank--------Points
1-5----------15 points
6-10---------12 "
11-20--------10 "
21-30--------7 "
31-40--------5 "
41-50--------3 "
51-100-------1 "
101+---------0 "

This creates a ranking that is not better than VGs, just different. In fact, most team positions are within 3 spots of VG's placement. Only NC St. and Michigan differ significantly. VG's ranking are in parenthesis.

1 (2) UConn 40 points
2 (1) Louisville 35
3 (5) Texas 24
4 (7) N.D. 22
5 (3) Kentucky 20
5 (6) Penn St. 20
7 (4) Duke 18
7 (8) Nebraska 18
9 (12) Tennessee 17
9 (13) UCLA 17
11 (14) Maryland 14
12 (11) Purdue 11
13 (16) Mississippi 10
14 (17) California 8
14 (19) UNC 8
16 (15) Wake F. 7
17 (18) Mich. St. 5
18 (10) Michigan 4
19 (9) N.C. St. 3
19(20) Baylor 3

And, of course, it keeps, at least for the present, UConn in first place, which makes me happy.
 
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Hey! Cal is still in the running for Sam Fuehring, too! She took an official to Berkeley last weekend. ;-P

*I'm a Cal fan so I gotta insert them in any WCBB convo when I can, even though TBH I have a feeling Sam Fuehring ends up at L'Ville with Durr :-(

p.s. thanks for your posts!
 
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The correct algorithm for determining the ranking is simple. All it will take is the analysis of many years of data and a super computer to process it. I'd expect an answer by stardate 230000.00 (June 28, 2152 8:52 PM).

The other option is to mostly accept Vowelguy's method with occasional questioning. I'm sure he will be amenable, as the vowels are AEIOU and sometimes "why?"
 
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To illustrate some of the difficulties, compare
Michigan st vs UNC
Virginia vs Colorado
 
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