1 and 2 seed bench production

[doggydaddy]

Here is the bench production for the Monday and Tuesday games.

2 Seeds
Maryland- 60 minutes, 18 points, 8 rebounds, 7 assists
Tennessee- 77 minutes, 19 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists
Kentucky- 87 minutes, 33 points, 19 rebounds, 4 assists
Duke- 30 minutes, 11 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists

1 Seeds
Baylor- 25 minutes, 2 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assists
ND- 19 minutes, 2 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists
UConn - 66 minutes, 32 points, 18 rebounds, 1 assists
Stanford - 36 minutes, 6 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists

 

[Olde Coach]

Here is the bench production for the Monday and Tuesday games.

2 Seeds
Maryland- 60 minutes, 18 points, 8 rebounds, 7 assists
Tennessee- 77 minutes, 19 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists
Kentucky- 87 minutes, 33 points, 19 rebounds, 4 assists
Duke- 30 minutes, 11 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists

1 Seeds
Baylor- 25 minutes, 2 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assists
ND- 19 minutes, 2 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists
UConn - 66 minutes, 32 points, 18 rebounds, 1 assists
Stanford - 36 minutes, 6 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists

VERY INTERESTING.

It looks like UConn and KY have the strongest bench players -- and no other teams are close. If UConn plays KY, it will be interesting to keep track of the bench points. GO Kiah and KML and BB!

Thanks, DD.

 

[UConnCat]

Tenn's numbers are interesting when you consider that Bass and Manning start and Simmons, Massengale and Spani come off the bench. Spani is not the same player she was earlier in the season, but Massengale's point production has been down in the latter part of the season.

 

[doggydaddy]

Tenn's numbers are interesting when you consider that Bass and Manning start and Simmons, Massengale and Spani come off the bench. Spani is not the same player she was earlier in the season, but Massengale's point production has been down in the latter part of the season.

I'd put astericks next to Tennessee as they start their seniors in some bizarre attempt for chemistry. Also, Kentucky starts Walker half the time she has played and she didn't start in this game. 13 points and 15 rebounds for the bench.

 

[sarals24]

It's also interesting because if you read a certain other board (which clearly, I never do) they like to crow about how their coach develops all their players, and how at UConn the team is only a few players deep.

Not to turn this into UT vs. UConn.

ND doesn't appear to use their bench much, I rewatched the BET final today and when Novasel was out with foul trouble they really don't have a strong replacement. That's going to be the key to beating them again...get any of their guards in foul trouble.

I really like Geno's strategy to have arguably our best player coming off the bench. I know there has been griping about it before, but when the other team has just started to get used to UConn's pressure, maybe made some defensive plays, BAM, in comes KML. Greatness.

 

[UConnCat]

I'd put astericks next to Tennessee as they start their seniors in some bizarre attempt for chemistry. Also, Kentucky starts Walker half the time she has played and she didn't start in this game. 13 points and 15 rebounds for the bench.

I admit that I don't understand what's going on with the Tenn starting lineup. Bass showed she was in over her head against a very average DePaul team. This is the NCAA tournament and one possession can decide a game and end a season. Bass didn't even play in the regular season game against Baylor and now she's likely to start against Baylor if Tenn gets by Kansas. Strange.

I didn't know Walker is a part-time starter for Kentucky. I haven't really followed her season and just assumed she starts every game. Clearly not starting hasn't affected her production.

 

[alexrgct]

There are two factors at play here: how frequently a team plays its bench, and how competitive the game is. Notre Dame is not especially deep and does not play its bench much unless it's a blowout. The Cal game was competitive. Kentucky, empirically, does play its bench even in competitive games. UConn, meanwhile, has one of its best players come off the bench AND the game was a complete annihilation.

 

[sarals24]

Plus, it's hard to know who Tennessee's "bench" is, they have used so many starting lineups this season. I get that it's in the given few games, but Simmons and Massengale have both started more than half the season at least.

 

[cohenzone]

Like all stats, they can be misleading. In UConn's case, if we didn't get that bench production, which usually comes heavily from KML. we'd probably be hurting because we get so little production from two of the starters. Plus KML plays starter minutes every game. Of course, if KS can put up around double figures a game, it means a lot in terms of bench production. In UT's case, Simmons is potentially at least the second most dangerous scorer they have on a given night. UK I don't follow so much. Is the tournament representative of how their bench usually produces?

 

[DaddyChoc]

Like all stats, they can be misleading. In UConn's case, if we didn't get that bench production, which usually comes heavily from KML. we'd probably be hurting because we get so little production from two of the starters. Plus KML plays starter minutes every game. Of course, if KS can put up around double figures a game, it means a lot in terms of bench production. In UT's case, Simmons is potentially at least the second most dangerous scorer they have on a given night. UK I don't follow so much. Is the tournament representative of how their bench usually produces?

I agree... start KML and have Doty come off the bench and lets see what those numbers look like

 

[doggydaddy]

I agree... start KML and have Doty come off the bench and lets see what those numbers look like

Your wish is my command, oh great one.

With Lewis - 66 minutes, 32 points, 18 rebounds, 1 assists
With Doty - 70 minutes, 21 points, 17 rebounds, 2 assists

Still solid bench production.

Now how about your favorite team not Uconn? Simmons and Massingale were starting for most of the season as opposed to Bass and Manning.

With Simmon and Massingale - 77 minutes, 19 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists
With Bass and Manning - 48 minutes, 5 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assists

Now THAT is a big difference.

 

[doggydaddy]

There are two factors at play here: how frequently a team plays its bench, and how competitive the game is. Notre Dame is not especially deep and does not play its bench much unless it's a blowout. The Cal game was competitive. Kentucky, empirically, does play its bench even in competitive games. UConn, meanwhile, has one of its best players come off the bench AND the game was a complete annihilation.

ND was up by 14 with 10 minutes left and 16 with 5 minutes left and they didn't sit the starters.

 

[Wbbfan1]

UConn's points from the bench is skewed because of KML. If we're honest KML should probably be starting in place of either Kelly or Caroline as she is a better player then either of them. Kelly starts because of the intangibles she brings and her defensive intensity. Caroline starts because it makes more sense for her to play right after warming up, then it would for her to sit on the bench for a while and then attempt to play. Caroline usually goes to the bench when KML comes in to play. If KML were starting then UConn's bench points would be similar to that of the other #1 seeds.

 

[DaddyChoc]

Your wish is my command, oh great one.

With Lewis - 66 minutes, 32 points, 18 rebounds, 1 assists
With Doty - 70 minutes, 21 points, 17 rebounds, 2 assists

Still solid bench production.

Now how about your favorite team not Uconn? Simmons and Massingale were starting for most of the season as opposed to Bass and Manning.

With Simmon and Massingale - 77 minutes, 19 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists
With Bass and Manning - 48 minutes, 5 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assists

Now THAT is a big difference.

awesome, thanks for the extra effort... an 11 point difference!

 

[speedoo]

UConn's points from the bench is skewed because of KML. If we're honest KML should probably be starting in place of either Kelly or Caroline as she is a better player then either of them. Kelly starts because of the intangibles she brings and her defensive intensity. Caroline starts because it makes more sense for her to play right after warming up, then it would for her to sit on the bench for a while and then attempt to play. Caroline usually goes to the bench when KML comes in to play. If KML were starting then UConn's bench points would be similar to that of the other #1 seeds.

That's apparently not correct. The other #1 seeds get almost no bench scoring, but if DD's updated data is accurate, swapping Doty and KML still has UConn's bench at 21 points, vs. 6, 2 and 2.

(on edit: doggy, it appears to me that the 21 figure for UConn's bench after swapping KML and Doty, should actually be 16. Still way above the other #1's.)

 

[doggydaddy]

UConn's points from the bench is skewed because of KML. If we're honest KML should probably be starting in place of either Kelly or Caroline as she is a better player then either of them. Kelly starts because of the intangibles she brings and her defensive intensity. Caroline starts because it makes more sense for her to play right after warming up, then it would for her to sit on the bench for a while and then attempt to play. Caroline usually goes to the bench when KML comes in to play. If KML were starting then UConn's bench points would be similar to that of the other #1 seeds.

If we're honest? She's started ONE game this year. Honestly, she comes off the bench.

But, just to make you happy, here are the ONE seeds and adjusted with Caroline off the bench instead of Lewis.

Baylor- 25 minutes, 2 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assists
ND- 19 minutes, 2 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists
UConn - 70 minutes, 21 points, 17 rebounds, 2 assists
Stanford - 36 minutes, 6 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists

Wbbfan1 - "If KML were starting then UConn's bench points would be similar to that of the other #1 seeds"

No, you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[doggydaddy]

That's apparently not correct. The other #1 seeds get almost no bench scoring, but if DD's updated data is accurate, swapping Doty and KML still has UConn's bench at 21 points, vs. 6, 2 and 2.

(on edit: doggy, it appears to me that the 21 figure for UConn's bench after swapping KML and Doty, should actually be 16. Still way above the other #1's.)

Check again. It's 21.

 

[DobbsRover2]

If we're honest? She's started ONE game this year. Honestly, she comes off the bench.

But, just to make you happy, here are the ONE seeds and adjusted with Caroline off the bench instead of Lewis.

Baylor- 25 minutes, 2 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assists
ND- 19 minutes, 2 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists
UConn - 70 minutes, 21 points, 17 rebounds, 2 assists
Stanford - 36 minutes, 6 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists

Wbbfan1 - "If KML were starting then UConn's bench points would be similar to that of the other #1 seeds"

No, you couldn't be more wrong.

I thought the definition of the bench player are the non-starters that come off the bench to relieve the starters, and often focusing on those 6th-man spark plugs like Ashley Battle in the mid-2000s who give the teams a big intensity lift. Sounds like KML, so why the discussion about doing a switching of roles? A soccer player who is generally put in at the 70th minute to score some goals is not called a starter if she leads the team in scoring. Now I can see it getting fuzzy if it's a case where a senior is started for the first 3 minutes and then is replaced for the rest of the game by someone who logs 37 minutes, but UConn is not a senior-night type of team.

 

[John Fryer]

This is an interesting topic. But it is also very confusing. At least to me.

If I understood the general discussion, UConn doesn't suffer, in terms of bench scoring, if Doty is replaced as a starter by KML.

If that is true, then my question is: If KML starts, then the argument suggests that Doty 's contributions, in terms of scoring, will be equal to KML's scoring of the bench? Is that the argument?

Or am I making it too complicated?

Someone please help me?

Peace,

John Fryer

 

[doggydaddy]

This is an interesting topic. But it is also very confusing. At least to me.

If I understood the general discussion, UConn doesn't suffer, in terms of bench scoring, if Doty is replaced as a starter by KML.

If that is true, then my question is: If KML starts, then the argument suggests that Doty 's contributions, in terms of scoring, will be equal to KML's scoring of the bench? Is that the argument?

Or am I making it too complicated?

Someone please help me?

Peace,

John Fryer

It was 11 points less. Doty scored 4. Lewis scored 15.

You are making it too complicated.