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Remember Elaine Thompson-Herah from the Olympics? Gold medalist in the 100m and 200m, also 4x100. She just ran a 10.54 in the 100m. That's only 0.05 seconds slower than Florence Griffith Joyner's 1988 record. She also became the first woman in history to run 40 km/h. :eek:

 
Remember Elaine Thompson-Herah from the Olympics? Gold medalist in the 100m and 200m, also 4x100. She just ran a 10.54 in the 100m. That's only 0.05 seconds slower than Florence Griffith Joyner's 1988 record. She also became the first woman in history to run 40 km/h. :eek:


Did the woman who couldn't go to the Olympics because of marijuana run?
 
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And then there's the 800m. The US gold medalist from the Olympics, Athing Mu, breaks the US record. Super fast, but so graceful. I could watch her run all day long.

Mu is a special athlete. She will likely double in both the 800 & 400 in Paris in 2024. She is also well on her way to becoming a very rich young lady, having signed a 7-figure endorsement deal with Nike earlier this year just before the US Olympic trials
 
Yes she did. Unfortunately she finished last.
If you are referring to Sha'Carri Richardson she did not race in the Olympics. She did finish last in the Prefontaine Classic on the 21st and finished last in that.
 
If you are referring to Sha'Carri Richardson she did not race in the Olympics. She did finish last in the Prefontaine Classic on the 21st and finished last in that.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I know she was not allowed to run in the Olympics. But I had read this was her chance to complete against the top three finishers at the Olympics. I was wondering how she did. Now I'm wondering why she didn't do very well. Might be an injury?
 
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I know she was not allowed to run in the Olympics. But I had read this was her chance to complete against the top three finishers at the Olympics. I was wondering how she did. Now I'm wondering why she didn't do very well. Might be an injury?
I watched the race and saw her interview afterwards. She said nothing about an injury, said she's exactly where she wants to be post Olympics (ie. her form, etc.), and that people who write her off will be proven wrong as she will be back. She also dropped the word $#!t on national television! I guess it was live cuz they didn't bleep it out.

IMHO she's a little too flashy and arrogant for my taste. Long fake hair, nails that are at least 3" long, glitter makeup, etc. I get that some people may like it, I'm just not a fan. Compare her to the classy attitude and demeanor of the 3 Jamaicans who beat the tar out of her, and I prefer the way they present and handle themselves.
 
Can we assume that this fantastic 10.54 time is NOT wind-aided?
 
I watched the race and saw her interview afterwards. She said nothing about an injury, said she's exactly where she wants to be post Olympics (ie. her form, etc.), and that people who write her off will be proven wrong as she will be back. She also dropped the word $#!t on national television! I guess it was live cuz they didn't bleep it out.

IMHO she's a little too flashy and arrogant for my taste. Long fake hair, nails that are at least 3" long, glitter makeup, etc. I get that some people may like it, I'm just not a fan. Compare her to the classy attitude and demeanor of the 3 Jamaicans who beat the tar out of her, and I prefer the way they present and handle themselves.
As poorly as Richardson did in the Prefontaine Classic, you have to wonder if she’s done any serious training since her positive drug test & DQ at the Trials. She really was not ready to compete against that talented field.
 
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Richardson came in last, which tells me she wasn't race-ready. Jamaicans are elite sprinters, but so is Richardson. Sometimes a loss is what you need to refocus. She'll bounce back. I'd put big money on it.
 
I tend to be hard on athlete's, but I'm going to give Richardson a pass on this one. Running in a world class race with no race experiences leading up to it would be like UConn playing in the NCAA tournament after playing no regular season games.

The event we really need to be focused on is the men's shot put. American Ryan Crouser is the world record holder and fellow American Joe Kovacs has tossed the third longest throw in history. Five of the top 10 ranked putters in the world are Americans. It truly is a golden age of American shot putting right now.
 
Can we assume that this fantastic 10.54 time is NOT wind-aided?
It's a legal time, but yes there was wind: +0.9 m/s Times that do not qualify for records start at +2 m/s.

Another data point: Elaine's Olympic record of 10.61 was set running into a -0.6 m/s headwind. Personally I don't think there's enough leeway left in the wind rule alone to make her faster than FloJo's time. But Elaine is an exceptionally businesslike athlete. I feel sure she's working to improve her time regardless of wind. Whether she succeeds or not, the journey will be fun to watch!
 
The world records in the 100, 400 and 800 were all set in the 80s, before the start of randomized drug testing. Testing for HGH didn't become available until after the turn of the century.
None of those record holders (including Flo-Jo) ever failed a drug test during that time ::shrug:: , but IMO there's a huge block of salt attached to their records.
 
I consider that time to be the "real" world record, because Flo-Jo's 10.49 had an official wind reading of 0.0 on a day that was very obviously windy. A likely instrument malfunction, IMO.
 
@cordarone @iri10 My view of both issues (and others like technical advances in shoes, training and track construction) is that we have to honor the decision of the sport's governing authority. If they say a record was set, whatever the rules or technology at the time, then fans should honor that.

Possibly not a popular view here on the BY where we love to debate everything, GOAT status most of all. But it's not like athletes can hop into a time machine to run races at a time when they think the circumstances favor them more. So I accept the 1988 record as legit. And if the record falls I'll accept the new one as legit too.
 
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Sorry if I wasn't clear. I know she was not allowed to run in the Olympics. But I had read this was her chance to complete against the top three finishers at the Olympics. I was wondering how she did. Now I'm wondering why she didn't do very well. Might be an injury?
No injury. She just wasn’t “star-struck” by the three Jamaicans.
 
Mild upset in the women's 200m , as our local ( Northampton, Ma) Olympic bronze medalist Gabby Thomas was edged out by Kamundji from Switzerland.
 
The world records in the 100, 400 and 800 were all set in the 80s, before the start of randomized drug testing. Testing for HGH didn't become available until after the turn of the century.
None of those record holders (including Flo-Jo) ever failed a drug test during that time ::shrug:: , but IMO there's a huge block of salt attached to their records.
My view is quite the opposite. Those recognized records were set DESPITE not having access to the advanced technology. Equipment and even diet and training regimens available to today’s subsidized athletes. Therefore these older records should not only be respected, but the source of real acclaim.
 
Yes, those athletes had inferior training, equipment, nutrition. What was accessible by then were PEDS, whose use was accelerating at that time given the success of the state-sponsored doping programs in the Eastern bloc countries.

It's taken decades for testing programs to at least curb PED use. I'm under no illusion today's athletes are lily-white clean, but it is much harder to dope if there's the threat of unannounced out-of-competition testing along with the ability to retroactively test for drugs from prior competitions.

Jmo, I view these records in the same regard as I view Barry Bonds' 73 HRs in a season - it's the record and more power to whoever eventually breaks it. But some great feat to revere and celebrate? That's a tough sell right there.
 
We got ourselves a rivalry...and it may well lead to a world record in the 100 meters.
Shelley-Ann Fraser-Pryce [Jamaican] won the 100 in Switzerland yesterday in world third best ever in 10.60.
She beat the Olympic gold medalist [Jamaican] Elaine Thompson-Herah who got second in 10.64.
There was an [allowable] slight following wind. Thompson-Herah of course scared Flo-Jo's 10.49 world record with her 10.54 at the Olympics.

Get these two going at each other in the near future....maybe 10.49 falls.

Note: Fraser-Price is 34...not sure about Elaine. Uhh...NEAR future.

Edit: Elaine is 29.
 
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Yes, those athletes had inferior training, equipment, nutrition. What was accessible by then were PEDS, whose use was accelerating at that time given the success of the state-sponsored doping programs in the Eastern bloc countries.

It's taken decades for testing programs to at least curb PED use. I'm under no illusion today's athletes are lily-white clean, but it is much harder to dope if there's the threat of unannounced out-of-competition testing along with the ability to retroactively test for drugs from prior competitions.

Jmo, I view these records in the same regard as I view Barry Bonds' 73 HRs in a season - it's the record and more power to whoever eventually breaks it. But some great feat to revere and celebrate? That's a tough sell right there.
It's a tricky subject and there's so much gray area. Reasons for suspicion abound, both for the decades-old world records and the current top athletes.

The WRs of Flo-Jo in the 100 and 200 (1988), Koch in the 400 (1985) and Kratochvilova in the 800 (1983) seem highly unlikely to be "clean" given the weight of historical circumstance, but how can we be assured that today's dopers aren't exploiting the cracks and loopholes that WADA isn't yet wise to? Detection science is always playing catch-up to performance science.

Among the evidence frequently cited against Flo-Jo was her astonishing improvement in just the last few months leading up to the 1988 US trials and Olympics. Well, I'd say that Elaine Thompson's improvement just this summer — and especially between her 3rd place finish in the 100m at the Jamaican trials to threatening the world record in Tokyo and Eugene — is no less astonishing. I guess we're to believe she found just the right training-and-nutrition mojo just in the nick of time?

It's well known now that out-of-competition testing is critical to even a minimal semblance of effective anti-doping control (since only the most obtuse or careless get caught in competition). But when we look under the hood of today's anti-doping structure, we see that compliance with OOC testing rules is, for all practical purposes, in the hands of the national anti-doping organizations (NADOs), which are of widely varying robustness and integrity. It's a minor miracle that, contrasted to the wild success of Jamaican sprinting, the laughable inadequacy of the Jamaican anti-doping agency hasn't yet been a bigger story or led to any significant repercussions.

 
It's a tricky subject and there's so much gray area. Reasons for suspicion abound, both for the decades-old world records and the current top athletes.

The WRs of Flo-Jo in the 100 and 200 (1988), Koch in the 400 (1985) and Kratochvilova in the 800 (1983) seem highly unlikely to be "clean" given the weight of historical circumstance, but how can we be assured that today's dopers aren't exploiting the cracks and loopholes that WADA isn't yet wise to? Detection science is always playing catch-up to performance science.

Among the evidence frequently cited against Flo-Jo was her astonishing improvement in just the last few months leading up to the 1988 US trials and Olympics. Well, I'd say that Elaine Thompson's improvement just this summer — and especially between her 3rd place finish in the 100m at the Jamaican trials to threatening the world record in Tokyo and Eugene — is no less astonishing. I guess we're to believe she found just the right training-and-nutrition mojo just in the nick of time?

It's well known now that out-of-competition testing is critical to even a minimal semblance of effective anti-doping control (since only the most obtuse or careless get caught in competition). But when we look under the hood of today's anti-doping structure, we see that compliance with OOC testing rules is, for all practical purposes, in the hands of the national anti-doping organizations (NADOs), which are of widely varying robustness and integrity. It's a minor miracle that, contrasted to the wild success of Jamaican sprinting, the laughable inadequacy of the Jamaican anti-doping agency hasn't yet been a bigger story or led to any significant repercussions.

Not to dismiss your point of view, but this article “WADA Warns Jamaica” refers to the “London Olympics, 2012”, and not the “Tokyo Olympics 2020/2021”. But the rules and goals of no doping still apply.
Yes, most countries sending representatives to the Olympics, regardless of their size in population, or position in global financial standings, aspire to have “clean”athletes show up and represent. And like the USA, Jamaica has had its share of issues in tightening up the loopholes that “dirty” athletes keep finding. However, things have significantly improved for the better, matching the requirements of the IOC. It is now at the point where the athletes are rigorously tested, especially after such performances at the Tokyo Olympics.
Finally, Jamaica is an island that has always shown up on the world’s track stage, but some people forget about that. They even try to be insultive by saying it’s a place where “Jamaicans walk barefoot to get to their coconut carts”. Criticize the locals all you want, but they are constantly reminded to remain humble, respectful and appreciative. Work hard, and the success will come. And it has, and is still coming. Everyone knows that athletic success doesn’t last forever, so right now, Jamaicans all over the globe are giddily celebrating the women’s performances of 1,2,3, (Tokyo, [Diamond League 2021 — Prefontaine Classic, Lausanne Classic]).
Congratulations to the Jamaican athletes! Congratulations to all the athletes who represented, and still are representing their countries! This Jamerican (Jamaican-American) is very proud of you!!!
 
Well, I'd say that Elaine Thompson's improvement just this summer — and especially between her 3rd place finish in the 100m at the Jamaican trials to threatening the world record in Tokyo and Eugene — is no less astonishing.
I don't agree with this. Thompson-Herah is not some flash in the pan; she was the gold medalist in Rio too. In fact, if you do some wind assist math her times have been pretty consistent since 2012. Some steady minor improvement (hundredth's of seconds) over time, but that's typical of sprinters.

Besides, trials are a bad predictor of top end speed. They are run strategically to minimize wear and tear. It's standard practice among (smart, experienced) runners to take your foot off the gas once you're sure you've qualified.

Detection science is always playing catch-up to performance science.
I also think this is true, and it's the basis of my earlier reasoning for "legit" records. Either you trust the governing body of the sport to adjust as needed to keep things fair, or you watch a different sport. What other choice is there, really?
 

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