WVU's Play by Play Guy on Rumors

[UT4Big12]

I think the confusion is that my argument isn't that not inviting BYU cost them money, but that inviting them would eventually cost them money.

Yes, under the existing contract they had they BYU entering as team 10 as opposed or in addition to TCU (as 11) they wouldn't of cost the conference any money, but their stubbornness and ESPN/FOX's general dissatisfaction with the school could cost the conference money in the future.

That's all I am getting at.

Ok.
My bad for misunderstanding where you were going with this.
I totally agree with your last statement.

 

[UT4Big12]

I speak both New Yorkese and Texan.

lol. That is funny.

 

[NYUConn]

Ok.
My bad for misunderstanding where you were going with this.
I totally agree with your last statement.

No worries, man. It can be more than confusing here at times.

 

[UT4Big12]

No worries, man. It can be more than confusing here at times.

For some reason, I was under the impression you were advocating for BYU.

I don't dislike the school, but TCU fans painted a good picture of what it would have been like to be conference partners with BYU.

 

[NYUConn]

For some reason, I was under the impression you were advocating for BYU.

I don't dislike the school, but TCU fans painted a good picture of what it would have been like to be conference partners with BYU.

My overall point was that I don't buy the argument that BYU is a non-starter just because they are "difficult" if adding them would have actually added significant monetary value to the conference.

However, as your link illustrated, their hardheadedness turned off ESPN/FOX so in this case them being difficult not only was a strike against them from a basic day-to-day business standpoint, but since it also hurt their ability to make money moving forward, then it totally makes sense why they aren't a real candidate.

In short:

There are a lot of jerks in this world people in business put up with because they make them money. If you're not making people money and even hurting that future earning ability, it doesn't matter how strong your "Brand" is, nobody is going to put up with your crap.

 

[UT4Big12]

Sorry for having derailed the discussion on this thread.

Getting back to the OP's post, what are your impressions of what was discussed in that interview. Could this be an indication of where the Big 12 is going?

I will be honest and I am sorry if I step on any toes here, but from my perspective, I am not a fan of Cincinnati in the Big 12. I don't see that school bringing much to the conference. Maybe you guys could enlighten me on what Cincy has to offer (other than being a school close to WVU).

 

[History Geek]

I think Cincy brings enough market-presence wise to justify the add (see @Dooley analysis). The geographic bridge to WV should not be discounted IMHO. Getting WV a regional partner or two or three may still be somewhat important. Louisville/Pitt may have been better, but they aren't available right now.

 

[MattMang23]

Maybe you guys could enlighten me on what Cincy has to offer (other than being a school close to WVU).

Their basketball team plays good defense and they have skyline chili?

They are just so vanilla and ordinary at pretty much everything.

I don't have a problem with them necessarily, and they are like our biggest rival right now, but I just get a very blah feeling when I think of them.

 

[NYUConn]

Their basketball team plays good defense and they have skyline chili?

Their crimes against pasta should be enough to relegate them to the MAC.

 

[CallMeBruce]

Sorry for having derailed the discussion on this thread.

Getting back to the OP's post, what are your impressions of what was discussed in that interview. Could this be an indication of where the Big 12 is going?

I will be honest and I am sorry if I step on any toes here, but from my perspective, I am not a fan of Cincinnati in the Big 12. I don't see that school bringing much to the conference. Maybe you guys could enlighten me on what Cincy has to offer (other than being a school close to WVU).

Cincinnati fits in well athletically with the Big 12, and is very competitive most years in both football and basketball. It's a very good school with an endowment well over a billion dollars, nearly 45k students. Cincinnati the city is only the 36th-largest DMA, but it's a major league city.

Ask yourself this: if Cincinnati had opened 16 years earlier and was named the University of Ohio, would you feel better about adding them to the league?

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

I think Cincy brings enough market-presence wise to justify the add (see @Dooley analysis). The geographic bridge to WV should not be discounted IMHO. Getting WV a regional partner or two or three may still be somewhat important. Louisville/Pitt may have been better, but they aren't available right now.

The question on Cincinnati is whether enough people in Ohio would actually watch them. Sure, they're located in a good spot, but it's no secret Ohio State is the #1 draw in Ohio and as you go south from Cincinnati, it's all UK. So while there's a good segment of the population of the city that are UC people, are there enough there and in the surrounding areas to justify what a B12 network would charge? That question doesn't exist for UConn or BYU.

 

[UT4Big12]

From the perspective of a Big 12 fan ( I mean a fan of the Big 12 before WVU was invited to join), we would like to recover some of the respect we had as an all-sports power conference.

We lost "brand name" schools. I don't see Cincinnati even coming close to fulfilling that desire.
Also, Cincinnati is not a flagship, land grant institution.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Cincinnati fits in well athletically with the Big 12, and is very competitive most years in both football and basketball. It's a very good school with an endowment well over a billion dollars, nearly 45k students. Cincinnati the city is only the 36th-largest DMA, but it's a major league city.

Ask yourself this: if Cincinnati had opened 16 years earlier and was named the University of Ohio, would you feel better about adding them to the league?

But if they were the University of Ohio, they would be run differently than they are, their funding would be different, mission would be different, etc. Being a flagship state university is far different from being a state university in a specific city.

UT - if you want brand names, Cincinnati isn't going to bring it. They're going to consistently be good at football and basketball, but likely never a powerhouse in either. They'll consistently have a good following and good attendance, but likely never break and records or stand out among the crowd. They'll consistently be a reliable Honda Accord.

Brand names in G5 expansion candidates are few and far between. UConn women's BB of course is one, but the sport is too far down the totem pole for it to matter much. Our men's team, while not having the historical aura of KU, is a national brand and as close you'll get from any of the schools available, including BYU football.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Sorry for having derailed the discussion on this thread.

Getting back to the OP's post, what are your impressions of what was discussed in that interview. Could this be an indication of where the Big 12 is going?

I will be honest and I am sorry if I step on any toes here, but from my perspective, I am not a fan of Cincinnati in the Big 12. I don't see that school bringing much to the conference. Maybe you guys could enlighten me on what Cincy has to offer (other than being a school close to WVU).

This is difficult for me, as I find them "iffy" too. They are close to WVU. They are in a good sized midwestern/mid-south market, although they are clearly #2 in southern Ohio and are likely #3 in Northern KY. The brand is meh. Academically they are pretty decent with good grad school programs. Enrollment size is pretty solid too. Football is competitive. Basketball is competitive. Neither have a lot of upside in my view, but they certainly aren't likely to become Rutgers or BC.

Do they look like a Big XII land grant U? No. But they look considerably better than Memphis and USF. UCF is a closer call. BYU as a school, as a brand and athletically is superior, but you know that. They have different warts.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Their crimes against pasta should be enough to relegate them to the MAC.

We bring the best pizza and fresh whole belly fried clams and other great seafood to the conference, much better than skyline.

 

[UT4Big12]

This is difficult for me, as I find them "iffy" too. They are close to WVU. They are in a good sized midwestern/mid-south market, although they are clearly #2 in southern Ohio and are likely #3 in Northern KY. The brand is meh. Academically they are pretty decent with good grad school programs. Enrollment size is pretty solid too. Football is competitive. Basketball is competitive. Neither have a lot of upside in my view, but they certainly aren't likely to become Rutgers or BC.

Do they look like a Big XII land grant U? No. But they look considerably better than Memphis and USF. UCF is a closer call. BYU as a school, as a brand and athletically is superior, but you know that. They have different warts.

lol.

I haven't seen much talk anywhere about Memphis and UCF/USF being top target schools for the Big 12. Thank God for that.

 

[UT4Big12]

We bring the best pizza and fresh whole belly fried clams and other great seafood to the conference, much better than skyline.

I hate to sound stupid, but what is skyline chili? I must be missing something here.

 

[UT4Big12]

But if they were the University of Ohio, they would be run differently than they are, their funding would be different, mission would be different, etc. Being a flagship state university is far different from being a state university in a specific city.

UT - if you want brand names, Cincinnati isn't going to bring it. They're going to consistently be good at football and basketball, but likely never a powerhouse in either. They'll consistently have a good following and good attendance, but likely never break and records or stand out among the crowd. They'll consistently be a reliable Honda Accord.

Brand names in G5 expansion candidates are few and far between. UConn women's BB of course is one, but the sport is too far down the totem pole for it to matter much. Our men's team, while not having the historical aura of KU, is a national brand and as close you'll get from any of the schools available, including BYU football.

From my observation, UConn is becoming increasingly popular with Big 12 fans (for all the obvious reasons).

 

[MattMang23]

I hate to sound stupid, but what is skyline chili? I must be missing something here.

Think of like... Nathan's... But for chili? I guess?

I'm guessing a Texan wouldn't be impressed.

 

[SixRings]

I hate to sound stupid, but what is skyline chili? I must be missing something here.

Chili with cinnamon in it. Nothing more. It's like crack to those tri-state hillbillies though.

 

[UT4Big12]

Chili with cinnamon in it. Nothing more. It's like crack to those tri-state hillbillies though.

lol

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Chili with cinnamon in it. Nothing more. It's like crack to those tri-state hillbillies though.

Over spaghetti too. I had a different brand of the same thing at the Cincinnati airport recently, wasn't anything to write home about.

 

[CL82]

I hate to sound stupid, but what is skyline chili? I must be missing something here.

"Skyline Chili is unique in that it is not chili con carne, the meat dish that originated in (and is the state dish of) Texas. Instead, Cincinnati-style chili is a sauce usually used over spaghetti or hot dogs, containing a unique spice blend that gives it a very distinct taste."

Their blasphemy against chili is more than enough reason to keep them out of the Big 12. IMHO.

(Oh and I once heard someone at BYU say they hate Texas. Just thought you'd want to know.)

 

[UC313]

You put chili on my spaghetti and my grandmother will rise from the grave and smack every human within arms distance with a wooden spoon. And deservedly so.

 

[CAHUSKY]

You put chili on my spaghetti and my grandmother will rise from the grave and smack every human within arms distance with a wooden spoon. And deservedly so.

Chili, onions and cheese. I'm not embarrassed to say I love me some Skyline chili.