RPI

[Waquoit]

the argument I've been making for years

why should a win over a 150 team be so much better than a win over a 250 team

Because a 150 team is so much better than a 250 team maybe?

 

[upstater]

Because a 150 team is so much better than a 250 team maybe?

Which is the 150 and which is the 250?

Schedule #1:
8 Wins, 10 Losses

at UNLV L, 74-72
at UCLA L, 88-83
Cal State Monterey Bay W, 71-62
Austin Peay W, 73-64
UMBC W, 78-65
University of Antelope Valley W, 85-55
IPFW L, 75-73
Fresno State W, 77-65
at Saint Mary's L, 93-63
at USC L, 101-82
at Texas A&M-Corpus Christi L, 80-74
at UTSA W, 88-73
at Texas A&M L, 82-63
at Hawai'i L, 86-73
UC Santa Barbara L, 76-73
Long Beach State W, 96-92
at CSUN L, 76-74
at Cal State Fullerton 83-75

Schedule #2
10 Wins, 9 Losses

University of Illinois - Chicago W 78-75
Rice University W 80-54
Fresno State L 71-78
University of California Riverside W 58-57
University of California Santa Barbara L 61-68
Delaware State University W 67-47
Eastern Washington University L 77-81
University of Montana L 50-82
California State University, Northridge W 65-61
Coppin State University W 96-93
Saint Mary's College of California L 52-74
University of the Pacific W 89-76
University of Portland W 107-95
Gonzaga University L 94-102
University of San Diego W 73-65
Brigham Young University L 92-102
Loyola Marymount University L 83-87
Pepperdine University L 84-98
Santa Clara University W 74-61

 

[SubbaBub]

I've always looked at Top 100 wins first. Anyone can schedule top 100 games and any top 100 team is capable of upsetting a top 25 team. So I think it's a good measure when comparing teams with different access to schedules. If you are 6-6 that's not as good as 4-2, so some adjustments should be made for how you fare in the opportunities you are given.

Top 50 wins trump Top 100, and Top 25 trump Top 50. Being 1-0 against top 25 is nice, but on its own shouldn't be a deciding factor.

In general if you have a plus .500 record vs the Top 50 you are a tournament team. If you have a good record against the Top 100 then you should be considered.

I also give preference to conference record. If you are in 8th place in your conference, you better have some charming M-F wins as Jules might say.

 

[Huskygamble19]

We are now at 60. that will teach us for not playing a game.

 

[Rocktheworld]

We are now at 60. that will teach us for not playing a game.

Other teams we have played may have dropped in RPI, transitively dropping ours.

That phenomenon is part of why RPI isn't worth a thing until Selection Sunday

 

[Leebo]

Other teams we have played may have dropped in RPI, transitively dropping ours.

That phenomenon is part of why RPI isn't worth a thing until Selection Sunday

Or... other teams that played yesterday improved their RPI. I always scratch my head when people act like our RPI ranking changing on off days is weird or something. When we move up after a win, you don't think we're pushing down teams that didn't play?

Besides, any system that takes schedule strength into account will have the "phenomenon" you described.

 

[upstater]

Butler also won @ Cincinnati. If they go 9-9 in the Big East, they'll be in.

That would give them 11 losses assuming a tourney loss. There were years in the old BE when teams didn't make it after going .500.

 

[willie99]

Because a 150 team is so much better than a 250 team maybe?

so whipping a team you're supposed to whip by 20 is so much more impressive than whipping a team you're supposed to whip by 30

I value performances against teams that can actually compete with you, the weight given to weaker teams should be watered down

to each his own

 

[amory]

Are we not talking about getting into the tournament? Because you can't beat them all every year. Some years you're going to be middling (like this year) but still deserving.

UConn is always going to have their "wtf" losses. It's been the only consistent thing about the program in the recent past.

You have to have some quality wins to absorb some bad losses, because there are going to be bad losses.

Imagine if we didn't have the OOC wins this year, but still had the Tulsa and Temple losses. We'd be firmly out of the tournament at this point. We're not a program that will run the table. Not disciplined enough.

 

[Huskygamble19]

Other teams we have played may have dropped in RPI, transitively dropping ours.

That phenomenon is part of why RPI isn't worth a thing until Selection Sunday

With tongue firmly planted in cheek. I know that other teams are playing to affect UCONN's RPI.

 

[champs99and04]

That would give them 11 losses assuming a tourney loss. There were years in the old BE when teams didn't make it after going .500.

They're still firmly in as of today, per Lunardi. You really think 6-4 doesn't have them in a good spot heading into the Big East Tournament? This isn't the old Big East, but the New Big East is a quality league, at least from an RPI standpoint, so coupled with what Butler did OOC I would expect them to be in.

 

[upstater]

They're still firmly in as of today, per Lunardi. You really think 6-4 doesn't have them in a good spot heading into the Big East Tournament? This isn't the old Big East, but the New Big East is a quality league, at least from an RPI standpoint, so coupled with what Butler did OOC I would expect them to be in.

I don't, no. 11 losses coming out of the BE means you're not in the tourney.

 

[tzznandrew]

I don't, no. 11 losses coming out of the BE means you're not in the tourney.

Yeah, I can't see them getting in with a record like that.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

I don't, no. 11 losses coming out of the BE means you're not in the tourney.

Again, we had 13 losses in 2012 and were a 9 seed.

Their only OOC conference loss was to Miami and they have the neutral win over Purdue and the road win at Cincy. They absolutely can get in with a .500 conference record.

 

[tcf15]

Again, we had 13 losses in 2012 and were a 9 seed.

Their only OOC conference loss was to Miami and they have the neutral win over Purdue and the road win at Cincy. They absolutely can get in with a .500 conference record.

But in 2012 we had an RPI of 32 and our SOS was #2 (damn, I didn't even know it was that high)

Butler currently has an RPI of 57 and their SOS is 90.

Their record right now 14-6. Don't see how they'd be able to get in with another 4 losses in their conference.

 

[upstater]

Again, we had 13 losses in 2012 and were a 9 seed.

Their only OOC conference loss was to Miami and they have the neutral win over Purdue and the road win at Cincy. They absolutely can get in with a .500 conference record.

You're talking about the Old BE

 

[tzznandrew]

Again, we had 13 losses in 2012 and were a 9 seed.

Their only OOC conference loss was to Miami and they have the neutral win over Purdue and the road win at Cincy. They absolutely can get in with a .500 conference record.

Cincy probably wouldn't be in the bracket right now. Purdue is a good win.

But Temple beat Kansas last year, and that wasn't enough...

 

[champs99and04]

Assuming Butler's remaining four losses are to Seton Hall, Georgetown, Nova, and Xavier, their projected RPI heading into the Big East Tournament would be 37.

 

[champs99and04]

Cincy probably wouldn't be in the bracket right now. Purdue is a good win.

But Temple beat Kansas last year, and that wasn't enough...

I still won't put much stock in the RPI for another month or so, but Cincinnati does have two top 50 wins to their credit (VCU and George Washington), one on a neutral court and one on the road. I think they have a decent case.

 

[tzznandrew]

Assuming Butler's remaining four losses are to Seton Hall, Georgetown, Nova, and Xavier, their projected RPI heading into the Big East Tournament would be 37.

In which case, they might have 1 Top 25 win all year, and, depending on where Seton Hall and Georgetown end up, somewhere between 1 and 3 Top 50 wins? I mean, at some point you have to beat someone, not just play them.

If they sweep Georgetown and Seton Hall, they're probably in without stumbling elsewhere, and if they don't mess up while also picking off Villanova or Xavier, they are too.

But otherwise, that is a scant resume if I've ever seen one.

 

[lange10]

RPI is dumb. If Wichita St. wins out vs their crappy, crappy schedule they'll have an RPI of 23 with basically 4 wins of note (UNLV, Utah, Evansville x2). If we win out and only lose @SMU and @Cincy, we finish with the same RPI of 23.

 

[champs99and04]

In which case, they might have 1 Top 25 win all year, and, depending on where Seton Hall and Georgetown end up, somewhere between 1 and 3 Top 50 wins? I mean, at some point you have to beat someone, not just play them.

If they sweep Georgetown and Seton Hall, they're probably in without stumbling elsewhere, and if they don't mess up while also picking off Villanova or Xavier, they are too.

But otherwise, that is a scant resume if I've ever seen one.

Well, one top 25 win all year might not be as scant as it seems. There are a whole host of teams still in search of their first top 25 win (Louisville, Duke, Maryland, Arizona, etc.) that are safely in the tournament field.

 

[tzznandrew]

Well, one top 25 win all year might not be as scant as it seems. There are a whole host of teams still in search of their first top 25 win (Louisville, Duke, Maryland, Arizona, etc.) that are safely in the tournament field.

I'm not at all convinced all of those are (cf. Welcome to the Bubble, Duke). Yet many of those teams have played back-loaded conference schedules. We presume they will win some Top 25 wins here and there, or they are out. Butler has shots against Xavier and Villanova. If they can't win those, and drop other games too (which is what we are positing here), they are out.

 

[champs99and04]

I'm not at all convinced all of those are (cf. Welcome to the Bubble, Duke). Yet many of those teams have played back-loaded conference schedules. We presume they will win some Top 25 wins here and there, or they are out. Butler has shots against Xavier and Villanova. If they can't win those, and drop other games too (which is what we are positing here), they are out.

I guess we'll see. Hopefully, for our case and theirs, Cincinnati can find a way to crawl into the top 5o or higher and Temple stays in the top 100.

 

[YearoftheHusky]

Hey, all we care about is our opponents' RPI and not wins so tonight was a good thing,right?

Fug no. Just win games and RPI doesn't mean much.

Fug. Fug. Fug.