OT - Online Classes/Degrees

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  1. DaddyChoc

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    Do any of you guys have experiences with them? cheaper, more economical... positives and/or negatives?

    Is it quicker to get a degree or same time frame as going to a physical building?

    Devry, Phoenix etc

    thanks in advance
  2. sarals24

    sarals24 Lone Starlet

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    I am getting a grad degree from the University of Texas at Dallas that is partially online...I have one class a semester at the University and two or more online. It isn't any cheaper to take the class but when you factor in gas, parking fees, time cost, etc, online is much better (if you are good at time management)
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  3. alexrgct

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    For-profit institutions like DeVry and Phoenix deserve a significant share of the blame for the existing student loan debt crisis in this country. They are extremely dangerous and are doing people a significant disservice.

    Getting specific training or certification from an institution like that is OK, but I would not get a degree from there.

    Online classes are becoming more and more accepted across the board. The flexibility, time savings, and parking/gas savings that Sara alludes to are legitimate. The primary downside is missing out on the opportunities to network with your classmates (depending on the nature of the degree and the class structure).
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  4. ~*Jen*~

    ~*Jen*~ Mommy to the Mini Mojo Keeper

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    I think it's... hard.

    To a point, it can be really convenient when you don't stay in the same place long enough. ;) We were living in central Georgia when my husband started his. He was working on his webMBA through a program offered through a consortium of Georgia colleges. Then he switched to a program (after only about a semester) more related to his bachelor's degree/profession. He was able to continue it when we moved to Atlanta and then to Huntsville.

    He was taking one class at a time. He'd come home from work around 5 and do nothing but study until he collapsed in bed at around 11:30. He was just SO consumed with it. He wasn't getting any exercise and gained a lot of weight.

    It was somewhat expensive. His then-employer would only reimburse a small portion and it seems like a lot of these programs just tend to be as expensive as they can be. Maybe under the assumption that employers pay a bigger portion than they do. His current employer would pay 100% of he were working on the degree now. Anyway, his then-employer just had no motivation to utilize the degree. He applied for other positions within the company and they refused to consider him and pay him more. So he finally got tired of it and left to work for a direct competitor, making about 25% more--and using this degree. Which is good because we owe a LOT of money for what wasn't covered.

    Online classes, in general, are hard, though. I took two during the summer before I graduated. It fit best with my work schedule. I'd wake up, study, nap, shower, go to work, come home, study until about 4AM (if I didn't work OT--if I did, I wasn't finished until 4AM anyway), sleep, study, et cetera. It might work for some people but I don't think I could actually do a whole degree that way. But maybe it's my personality...
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  5. sarals24

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    Yeah, the benefit to online classes are if they are something that requires lots of reading and not much discussion time in class, I've found. I'm doing a marketing degree, so anything that involves case studies, theory, current issues, etc, I would rather take in person because it is much better to learn and engage with the professor, speakers, other classmates, etc.

    But classes that involve straight reading or technical skills, it's easier to take at home and go at your own pace, I've found.
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  6. KnightBridgeAZ

    KnightBridgeAZ Grand Canyon Knight

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    While I don't think I would get a degree from one either, I think we can cast plenty of blame for the student loan debt crisis on the traditional schools. When you compare what it costs for a semester at a traditional college now versus what it cost 20 or 30 or more years ago - ok, I know times are different but the incrememtal increase compared to cost of living, average salaries, etc. simply can't be in line.

    And I saw some folks mentioning advanced degrees. While I lived in NJ I often received brochures from Rutgers advertising advanced business and management degrees. The costs were outragous for a normal person - even one earning what I consider a good salary. As someone above stated, I think there is a presumption that an employer is paying, which is probably less and less likely given the economy and employment practices.
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  7. JimGunther

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    While I look at on-line programs with a great deal of skepticism, logic tells me, they COULD be the wave of the future.
    First, there's the cost issue. Proprietary schools are going to eye the bottom line more closely than traditional schools. Traditional schools are going to have to "get with the program". 8% - 10% or more year=t0-year increases are NOT going to be sustainable. Other than brand-recognition traditional universities will have to be more product competitive.
    Technology (such as Go-to-meeting ect) may allow more collaborative interaction (til recently, missing or limited from on-line deals).
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  8. alexrgct

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    There's a difference between "significant" share of the blame and "exclusive".

    Really, lower tier universities have the same pitfalls as for-profit ones: ROI is out of whack with cost. And yes, even professionally valuable degree costs outstrip the rate of inflation. The problem is twofold. One is that professions that require highly skilled, in-person provisions of goods an services always increase in cost well above CPI. Concert tickets, a college degree, medical care, you name it. When a business can't move its production to locations with a comparative advantage, pricing goes up. The second issue is that, specific to higher education, there has been the over-availability of low-interest loans. Providing credit to fund the availability of a product or service causes a micro-inflationary effect. It can also cause significant bubbles, and education in general is one that's set to burst sooner rather than later.
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  9. elzorrogris

    elzorrogris Nuestro Zorro Amigo

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    You have to draw a total distinction between on-line courses from traditional universities which are definitely the wave of the future, and the highly advertised for-profit "schools" which more closely resemble used car dealers. They are mostly vultures, feeding on ignorance, student loans and the GI Bill. Their "education" is weak or non-existent, their 'degrees" are pretty much worthless and their profits are high.
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    is that a fact or an opinion? not that I'm disagreeing just though you could provide figures or links
  11. DaddyChoc

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    and I just used Phx & Devry as examples of what the topic was about... there's tons of "online schools" out there that are not "highly advevrtised.
  12. Maine1

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    You can check out Charter Oak State College which is located in New Britain, CT. The courses are affordable around $700-$750 for a 3 credit class. Actually, I'm graduating from there on June 3rd. Best of luck in choosing a school.
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  13. Sakibomb25

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    It is my opinion that for-profit advanced degrees don't really do much for your career. I just got an MBA from a well-respected university in my area... and I'm still finding it more difficult to get a job. I can only imagine if I went to Phoenix or another for-profit university...

    Yes, it is much more convenient for people's schedules, but that is a short-term way of looking at things. The long-term view is how will your future employers/recruiters look at your education and my guess is that for-profit universities don't get much credit. I had an opportunity to work for a for-profit university and I declined. I don't really agree with what they stand for and describing them as vultures is really how I would sum them up.

    Again, this is only my opinion, so I apologize if I offended anyone.
  14. vtcwbuff

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    My daughter got her Phd on line (mostly) from a not for profit university. She holds down a full time job and she's also a mom. She would not have been able to do it if she had to attend classes on campus. Her employer split the tuition cost with her.

    I think it is going to become more and more common for grad students to continue their education on line.
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  15. DaddyChoc

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    thanks Saki... I value your opinion
  16. DaddyChoc

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    was everything done online?
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    My sister-in-law got her degree from Phoenix almost a decade ago in computer design she has a very good job in Manhattan as the result. As always once you have a degree your longterm success depends on your ability to demonstrate command of the material and how you have grown it.
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    DaddyChoc,
    All of the courses are online. Here's there website address: charteroak.edu. Check to see if they offer a degree in the field you're interested. They are also an accredited school.
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  21. DaddyChoc

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    thanks... I'll check it out tonight when Im at the computer doing NOTHING
  22. DaddyChoc

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    thanks Ice
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    My two cents: There has been some documented problems with for-profit organizations; I remember low graduation rates and high student debt being mentioned. Essentially, there's not much of a support system there.
    My sister got certified as a vet assistant through an online program, which was entirely done online except for an internship that her program arranged. She is now working for the organization she interned for, as a vet tech (which is one step up the ladder from assistant).
    I expect the bottom line is to do your research, as you might when applying for and choosing a brick and mortar school. And double-check accreditation.
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    I'm pretty sure Biff can make a really nice looking degree for you.
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  25. psconn

    psconn Proud Husky Fan

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    I finished up my bachelors with Charter Oak back in 2000. All self study and what passed for "online" at the time (except some exams that required proctoring at the Charter Oak "campus"). Never regreted it
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  26. elzorrogris

    elzorrogris Nuestro Zorro Amigo

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    Just do a lot of research before you sign anything, especially a check. If it sounds too good to be true..
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  27. JACKofallTrades

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    Er... like traditional college graduation rates & debt are so great today? :)

    "...Just 56 percent of college students complete four-year degrees within six years, according to a 2011 Harvard Graduate School of Education study. Among the 18 developed countries in the OECD, the U.S. was dead last for the percentage of students who completed college once they started it -- even behind Slovakia..."

    ... The average debt of college seniors who graduated in 2010 with student loans rose 5% from a year earlier to $25,250, according to a report.... (& it's going up, not down methinks... :( )

    Just as cable-TV & the Web has changed shopping, books, news, music, sports & movie delivery, it's gonna change education. It's only surprising it's been moving so slowly (to even more digital platforms). MIT & Harvard are just a few of the colleges that have already put lots of their course online (FOR FREE).

    Harvard & MIT offer free online classes

    One thing that will (eventually) be worked out is how the interaction process works. But for people who say traditional classes are more interactive... I don't necessarily agree. I had lectures with hundreds of students. And the ones with small classes (20-ish) were most often 99%+ lecture.

    The basis (heart) of most courses I EVER had was... READING (not Q&A). And I don't see a huge (qualitative) difference in reading in your room, study hall or library... or on your computer. The person I saw on a recent Boston TV interview (fr MIT & Harvard) thought that interactive platforms (for online classes) would become better as they are refined & improved. And they have an advantage in that course proctors can follow a student's progress much more closely online than in a traditional setting.

    But the cost of college is the reason online courses is the future. If food & gas had risen as much as tuition has (1025% since 1980)... milk would be $22/gal, and gas $13/gal. :rolleyes: With most things today, technology has given us better quality for lower prices. With education we're getting lower quality for higher prices. (most colleges have remedial classes for freshman). Business has generally become more (cost) efficient, yet the education business has gone the opposite direction. The better question is why aren't more people outraged & doing something?

    College Costs Rise 1025.4% Since 1980

    John Stossel recently did an hour show on how colleges waste money on extravagant buildings & manpower inefficiencies. Why? Because they can... (enough) people still pay... and the loan system has evolved into a racket that the Mob would love to have a piece of. Most of the money is not going to better curriculum's or better education (just the opposite... students are coming out stupider). And lib-arts (originally the core of a "college education") has devolved into a (PC) mess. Few mandatory course that have any real value, like in the past (philosophy, history, literature, civics, science). But plenty of obscure or generally worthless studies (gender studies et al).

    John Stossel - Is College A Rip-off?

    And the loan system is another (gov induced/helped) financial bubble waiting to crash. This is JUST the time for markets to help solve this crisis... (1) kids choosing local community colleges over expensive private schools (with real teachers instead of professors more interested in publishing & tenure at big-name schools)... (2) kids choosing online education.... and (3) kids choosing occupations that require skills & certification rather than (quite often worthless) college courses: Plumbing, HVAC, Auto Mechanic, CPA, Computer Certification, etc. Those (valuable) skills all have certification as a requirement. The same way a lawyer, nurse, doctor, teacher, etc has to pass a licensing test to prove they are knowledgeable enough to do certain jobs.

    For Most People, College Is a Waste of Time :

    "...But that's irrelevant to the larger issue. Under a certification system, four years is not required, residence is not required, expensive tuitions are not required, and a degree is not required. Equal educational opportunity means, among other things, creating a society in which it's what you know that makes the difference. Substituting certifications for degrees would be a big step in that direction.

    No technical barriers stand in the way of evolving toward a system where certification tests would replace the BA. Hundreds of certification tests already exist, for everything from building code inspectors to advanced medical specialties. The problem is a shortage of tests that are nationally accepted, like the CPA exam.

    But when so many of the players would benefit, a market opportunity exists. If a high-profile testing company such as the Educational Testing Service were to reach a strategic decision to create definitive certification tests, it could coordinate with major employers, professional groups and nontraditional universities to make its tests the gold standard. A handful of key decisions could produce a tipping effect. Imagine if Microsoft announced it would henceforth require scores on a certain battery of certification tests from all of its programming applicants. Scores on that battery would acquire instant credibility for programming job applicants throughout the industry.

    An educational world based on certification tests would be a better place in many ways, but the overarching benefit is that the line between college and noncollege competencies would be blurred. Hardly any jobs would still have the BA as a requirement for a shot at being hired. Opportunities would be wider and fairer, and the stigma of not having a BA would diminish.

    Most important in an increasingly class-riven America: The demonstration of competency in business administration or European history would, appropriately, take on similarities to the demonstration of competency in cooking or welding. Our obsession with the BA has created a two-tiered entry to adulthood, anointing some for admission to the club and labeling the rest as second-best.

    Here's the reality: Everyone in every occupation starts as an apprentice. Those who are good enough become journeymen. The best become master craftsmen. This is as true of business executives and history professors as of chefs and welders. Getting rid of the BA and replacing it with evidence of competence -- treating post-secondary education as apprenticeships for everyone -- is one way to help us to recognize that common bond."

    Down with the Four-Year College Degree! by Charles Murray :

    "...Four years makes sense for students who are trying to get a liberal education and therefore need to take a few dozen courses in philosophy, religion, classical and modern literature, the fine arts, classical and modern history (including the history of science), plus acquire fluency in a foreign language and take basic survey courses in the social sciences. The percentage of college students who want to do that is what? Ten percent? Probably that is too optimistic. Whatever the exact figure, it is a tiny minority.

    For everyone else, four years is ridiculous. Assuming a semester system with four courses per semester, four years of class work means thirty-two semester-long courses. The occupations that require thirty-two courses are exceedingly rare. In fact, I can't think of a single example. Even medical school and Ph.D.s don't require four years of course work. For the student who wants to become a good hotel manager, software designer, accountant, hospital administrator, farmer, high-school teacher, social worker, journalist, optometrist, interior designer, or football coach, the classes needed for the academic basis for competence take a year or two. Actually becoming good at one's job usually takes longer than that, but competence in any profession is mostly acquired on the job. The two-year community college and online courses offer more flexible options than the four-year college for tailoring academic course work to the real needs of students."
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    good stuff Jack

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