Neither did I….LOL……happy hour started with a customer at 2 and ended just in time for the Husky game!
Think it had to do with you making fun of Jeter's GG and Pedroia's GG win over Cano this year…….because Cano was the better fielder and deserved it but the "people" like Pedey just like they liked Jeter back then! But don't hold me to it……...
Well if it makes you feel better, I'm not a Red Sox fan, but I do understand the reasoning now haha. Though I will say, the advanced defensive metrics definitely don't agree with cano over pedroiaNeither did I….LOL……happy hour started with a customer at 2 and ended just in time for the Husky game!
Think it had to do with you making fun of Jeter's GG and Pedroia's GG win over Cano this year…….because Cano was the better fielder and deserved it but the "people" like Pedey just like they liked Jeter back then! But don't hold me to it……...
Good post. I agree with what you said. Sometime this year, Derek Jeter will pass Luis Aparicio for second place in games played at short stop. Only Omar Vizquel will have more but not by much. Shortstop is a skill position so to play that many games at that position is significant. The list of players behind him is impressive. Ozzie Smith, Cal Ripken, Luke Appling to name a few. I am a Red Sox fan and I would vote him into the Hall in a NY minute. The thing that I remember the most about him as a player was that he seemingly never killed a rally. He always would work a walk or punch one into right field. Still, I hate to see him go.
Given only those criteria? Raphael Palmeiro and Pete Rose.
Which still leads back to you saying that he potentially would not have been a HOFer, which is what Excalibur commented on. No one has accused of saying he absolutely isn't a HOFer. I'm not sure why you're so defensive about what you said.
Jeter is easily as much of an icon as Joe Montana. Joe Montana is known for being a winner and what does 5 World Series titles mean to you???? He was clutch and savvy and classy and made big plays and performed when the lights were the brightest. How different is that than Montana. I won't compare Jeter to the other guys because I concede their place in history but Montana? He played for a hell of a club with super skilled players at every position and a Hall Of Fame coach so it wasn't the toughest thing in the world and didn't his replacement do just as well? So maybe it was more the team and less Joe Montana, right?
And this is the thinking that led to gold gloves for Jeter...
Your remark suggests that he wasn't a decent fielder? That he was a liability? You are definitely out of wack on that. Look at his fielding percentage. Not too shabby. He had good range, not great range but played the pivot well. He's not going to go into the Hall Of Fame based on his glove but if he wasn't at least a pretty decent fielder, he probably wouldn't get in at all. He never hurt the team with his glove and I think he was an asset because with the middle of any infield being a key to any defense, didn't the Yankees win a bunch of pennants and World Series. Your suggesting that their defense sucked, then???? Who the hell was making plays for the Yankees? Then they got ARod and wouldn't put him at shortstop so as not to ruffle Jeter's feathers in your mind? I don't think the Yankees patronized Jeter so much that they would allow an inferior defensive player to botch up the middle of the infield when they had an All Star shortstop in ARod who could make so much of a difference playing that position. I'll concede ARod was a better shortstop but the difference between them wasn't so substantial that the Yankees would move Jeter to Third. That suggests Jeter was pretty good and that your opinion really doesn't seem to have a lot of validity.
I don't think him winning a Golden Glove was a big joke. I've seen him make countless outstanding plays and though his range wasn't as substantial as a couple of other guys, he had an accurate arm, made the pivot well and had a quick release while always making plays in the clutch. Now if Papi was getting a Golden Glove, then we have to concede it's April Fools Day or something.
Mandela played baseball?????? He's talking about baseball which was called America's pastime when I was growing up. You find so many players in so many sports getting adulation and a lot of them, most of them fall short of being a healthy image for kids to aspire to. Jeter isn't one of those guys who falls short. You never hear him being controversial, talking down anybody, raising a fuss, showing up umpires or managers. He's always carried himself well and to do that in the media center of the world, with a microphone constantly forced down your throat, he's been articulate, positive, hardworking and skilled for twenty years. There are others who've also been a role model on and off the field but not in a market like New York where your every move is under scrutiny 24/7. You've heard remarks from a lot of people that aren't Yankee groupies in the baseball community including the commissioner who've lauded his achievements on the field and that way he's represented himself, the Yankees and major baseball over these twenty years. This announcement should have been a time for people to show respect for the way he's played (hard) and for the positive role model he's been and not find some stupid knitpicking issues questioning whether he was absolutely the best defensive shortstop in the years that he was selected as Golden Glove. Those arguments should have been discussed then and not with him but with whoever votes for the Golden Glove. He's an amazingly well rounded ballplayer whose a credit to the game, period!
Bill Walsh and Joe Montana created a brand new offensive philosophy for their time, portions of which are still used today. They transcend their sport. Joe Montana is in the conversation of the greatest player in the history of his game. Jeter does not transcend his sport and he is barely in the top ten in his own teams' history.
Because typically, 3b is a power position, which is not Jeter's offensive game. It was not Boggs' game either and he is in the HoF, but that doesn't further my pointless view.