Olympic Oops?

Discussion in '2016 Summer Olympics' started by Fairfield Fan, May 27, 2016.

  1. Fairfield Fan

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    I know there were lots of reasons posed for Candace Parker's being left off the Olympic roster at the time. But now that we're five games into the WNBA season, and Parker is ripping a tornado-like path through the league, can we now say that it's beginning to look as though the selection committee really blew it?

    Candace Parker - WNBA

    Parker is the fifth leading scorer with nearly 21 points a game, she's eighth in rebounds with 7.5, she's tenth in blocks, and twelfth in assists. She's outscoring another roster center, Griner; she's outscoring and out rebounding roster forward Tamika Catching; she's outscoring Seimone Augustus. And she's younger than Catchings. There were hints that Parker wasn't a "team player," though they selected McCaughtry, who has been benched for long periods with no obvious physical ailments.

    Can we now say that the decision to leave Parker off the roster is looking pretty bad right now?
     
  2. j66kicker

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    I'm fine with the committee's selections
     
  3. Goodgood

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    They picked the Olympic Team BEFORE the WNBA season started, much like they pick all Americans before the NCAA tourney starts. Hindsight is always 20/20. Rebecca Lobo pointed out that the Olympic committee rewards loyalty. While Breanna Stewart has always answered the call, Parker has opted out of several Olympic competitions.

    It will be interesting to see, if someone gets injured, whom the Olympic committee will choose as a replacement.
     
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  5. UcMiami

    UcMiami How it is

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    NOPE.
    It was never about scoring it was about chemistry and defense.
     
  6. OldAlum

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    I wonder if the Olympic committee would consider changing the selection process in the future. There dies not seem to be a pressing need to name the complete team so far in advance. It seems they could name 8 or 10 players as definites and then wait to name the others to make the roster 12. With the WNBA playing and the possibility of injuries, it would seem they could get the best and healthiest players that way.
     
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  7. Fairfield Fan

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    Having said that, Parker's WNBA team is undefeated: 5-0. Seems as though chemistry isn't an overwhelming problem in LA.
     
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  8. Fairfield Fan

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    Seems to me it should be about fielding the best team with the greatest opportunity to win all the marbles. Loyalty, unless it's about national loyalty, shouldn't be the ultimate, or even a critical, factor.
     
  9. VAUConnFan

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    It was a bad decision before the WNBA season started. It will always remain a bad decision regardless of how the season plays out.
     
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  10. MilfordHusky

    MilfordHusky Voice of Reason

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    Another succinct reply that nails it.
     
  11. Fairfield Fan

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    Yes. But of course, we all knew long before this WNBA season began that Candace Parker was probably the premier power forward in the country. And now we still know she's the best power forward in the country. So what exactly were the reasons for leaving her off? Oh, right. No one's talking.
     
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  12. Kibitzer

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    Candace and Stewie should be teammates on this Olympic team.
     
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  13. MilfordHusky

    MilfordHusky Voice of Reason

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    I'm not sure she's a power forward. She's a finesse player. I think Nneka plays the 4, and Candace plays the 3.

    Candace is unquestionably a fabulous offensive player, especially when she plays hard. That apparently wasn't enough for USA Basketball. I know it looks odd at first glance, but USA Basketball was looking for something a little different.
     
  14. UcMiami

    UcMiami How it is

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    Yeah - but it is her team so anything she does is good with her teammates - she is the star and if she gets bored and takes a quarter off, it is still cool. If she decides she doesn't want to get back on defense, or wants to play swinging gate defense ... ok. On the NT that doesn't fly.

    These are grown women with a life away from basketball so giving them some planning time for the month of the Olympic break is a nice thing to do. Sure they may be injures but if you name a core of eight, you might have injuries with them too. The Olympic committee has been both successful and following a pretty consistent formula for a very long time - why change. As Fairfield says - there isn't much surprising happening this WNBA season - Parker has consistently put up significant numbers as have all the others in consideration. Phoenix is certainly a little shocking at 0-4, but that is a WNBA team, not the Olympic team - DT is DT, and while Griner appears to be struggling, one doesn't really expect that to continue.
     
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    this nails it...when she plays hard...and for the record they will win easily without her...Candace is a great player when she is getting lots of shots and making them...she can disappear when she does not get the ball a lot and defense speaks for itself...personally i think her not being selected is not a question of talent but rather a statement that the bigs they took instead of her are both much better perimeter players and 3 pt shooters...just an opinion
    this being said i can see why her fans are mad because she is playing better than Delle Donn right now and Augustus but unfortunately she does not play the position they do...at least on this Olympic team
     
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  16. Goodgood

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    Parker is playing all out because she is trying to prove that she should be on the team. If she had done that all the time, there is no doubt that she would have been selected.

    This proves that the committee is right by not selected her. She had more to give and didn't for whatever reason.
     
  17. Aluminny69

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    I agree, and would add that credit should be given to Brian Agler, who has the Sparks playing as a team. It was pointed out that, if you add in Agler's 82-22 record with Columbus of the defunct ABL, Agler has the most career wins of any active Women's Professional basketball coach.
     
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  18. ThisJustIn

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    Nope. She's currently #5 in pts, #26 in f/g%...

    I still feel like one more big.medium should have been left off (Angel?) and sSimm or Sloot.

    ALSO - there is still a "just in case" team - and until the games start, the roster is fluid. The way she's handled this whole thing, it feels like she's shot herself in the foot. I mean, would you want her on the team now?
     
  19. Fairfield Fan

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    I'm sorry, but "when she plays hard"? She's been the powerhouse in the league amongst bigs for years. I find it difficult to question her work ethic when the results are so mind-boggling.

    Is that what we think happened? The committee thought she just doesn't work hard? Wasn't she a beast during the last Olympic games?
     
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  20. ericsandiego

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    I liked what all 3 of you said and just wanted to add - a very smart person recently said "She's a tremendous offensive player, but while she may score 20 points, she gives up 15-20 due to lack of effort on defense". I think that's pretty obvious to people who see the games in person and focus on what she does when she's NOT involved in a play. I'm not saying she is lazy, but it's never more obvious than when she stands around in the lane watching people drive by her and score.

    And by the way, when she does set her mind to it, she can be a solid defensive player as well. But watch any of the other players selected to the team, especially players like Maya, Catch, Stewie, Dee, Tina, Angel, and Siemone - they work their BUTTS off on defense and never take a play off. I left Sylvia, Brit, Sue and Lindsay off because as the 1's and 5's, their defense often looks different... Plus, in fairness, I've never focused on Bird or Whalen when they play defense so I can't speak with any kind of authority to what they do...
     
  21. Fairfield Fan

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    I just wonder whether Coach Geno isn't playing it too safe this time. He's gone with the old guard, but they are a lot older than the last time. This looks like a risk.
     
  22. Bestiarius

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    Are we going to get into a stat cherry picking contest? She wasn't picked, her merits and drawbacks have been discussed to death. It's done. Moving on is the healthiest thing to do.

    Let's cheer on the Olympic team. I don't understand those fellow Americans in orangeland who will be boycotting and hoping the USA loses because of the committee's decision.
    http://www.wnba.com/stats/
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  23. Fairfield Fan

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    Hoping the US team will lose?! Who's doing that? I live in Connecticut!
     
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    I guess you haven't seen many Phoenix games. Dee hasn't been playing much defense this season.

    What's wrong with the Phoenix Mercury? - Excelle Sports
     
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    And it's because no one is talking that makes me think something very disruptive happened. The selection committee knows how accomplished an offensive player Parker is. So, it must have been something OFFENSIVE that kept her off the team.

    I have no use for Parker who I've always considered a prima donna. And I'm glad she's not on the Olympic team. And I don't give a crap what anyone thinks of my opinion, just like I don't give a crap about their opinion.
     
  26. Alydar

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    Yeah, That's why LA has all those championship trophies in their display case since Parker joined the team. LOL

    USA BB has made it clear that they want to build a program in which players get involved at a young age and learn to play together as they mature. You suggest that they should just pick the top 12 scorers for the first 5 games in the Olympic year. I like the committee's desire for continuity better than your idea.

    The best? Maybe the best scorer but even then she only scores a lot if you give her 20 shots a game. The USA team isn't about to do that. IMO Parker is a great scoring forward who needs to be the focus of the offense to be effective. Ask her to be just one of five and she sulks. JMO of course.

    And it isn't true that no one is talking. One person has done a lot of talking. Parker. And that says a lot about her class.


    McBride is scoring more than Parker but no one is whining that she should be on the team. Catchings isn't among the top 30 scorers and yet no one is calling for her to be replaced? And Stewart is 4th in rebounding and 6th in scoring and yet many are saying she doesn't belong.

    I'd take some of Parker's supporters more seriously if they hadn't done the same thing 4 years ago when she didn't start. Some went so far as to say they would root for the USA team to lose.

    I used to worship Mickey Mantle as a child. Whenever he took a strike I blamed the blind umpire. Then I grew up.
     
  27. Bestiarius

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    I didn't accuse you. Just check out the Lady Vol boards and you'll see.
     
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    do we really expect nice warm fuzzy comments for a former Lady Vol... everyone in the thread 6 months ago thought she was a lock. Now everyone is waging their tongue (like she did) just to get under the skin of LV fan who are most definitely lurking on this thread (check the views)
     
  30. Fightin Choke

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    Just for the record, Candace does not play the 3 for LA. The accompanying starters for LA are Nneka, Essence Carson, Kristi Tolliver, and Alana Beard, so Candace must be either the 4 or the 5 for the Sparks. Also, Candace's defense seems pretty amazing when measured empirically. Now I know that the stats cannot show everything, but Candace has been very good on defense (statistically) for a long while.
    • In 2016, she is 6th in offensive win shares, 1st in defensive win shares, and 4th overall in win shares. (2016 defensive and offensive rating are not yet available on basketball reference website)
    • In 2015, she was 8th in offensive rating, 7th in defensive rating, and her win shares/48 minutes was second. (She missed half the season to rest though).
    • In 2014, she was top 10 in neither offensive nor defensive rating, although she was 5th in win shares just missed the top 10 in offensive rating, and was 10th in defensive rating.
    • In 2013, she was outside the top 10 in offensive rating, 1st in defensive rating, 6th in offensive win shares, and 4th in defensive win shares. (won MVP)
    • In 2012, she was outside the top 10 in offensive rating, 4th in defensive rating, 6th in offensive win shares, and 8th in defensive win shares.
    • In 2011, she was injured half the year (knee injury).
    • In 2010, she was injured 2/3 of the year (shoulder injury).
    • In 2009, she was outside the top 10 in offensive rating, 2nd in defensive rating, outside the top 10 in offensive win shares, and 5th in defensive win shares.
    • In 2008 (her rookie season), she was 9th in offensive rating, 3rd in defensive rating, 3rd in offensive win shares, and 2nd in defensive win shares. (Won MVP)
    Her defense is rated higher than her offense in every season.

    As far as her poor shooting percentage to start the year, her 45.5% shooting percentage this season is higher than the following Olympians:

    44.7% Elena Delle Donne
    43.2% Sue Bird
    41.8% Breanna Stewart
    40.4% Angel McCoughtry
    40.0% Seimone Augustus
    37.9% Tamika Catchings
    37.1% Diana Taurasi