Notre Dame lamenting conference realignment - Hockey

[CTGoonie]

http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/01/carson-nd-left-outside-hockey-east/

They don't like being the only team from outside NE in Hockey East and are blaming the refs and bias for their losses. Somewhere Jim Delany is smiling.

 

[TerryD]

http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/01/carson-nd-left-outside-hockey-east/

They don't like being the only team from outside NE in Hockey East and are blaming the refs and bias for their losses. Somewhere Jim Delany is smiling.

No real problems here other than some normal grousing.

ND got a national TV hockey deal with NBC Sports out of the realignment to Hockey East. The move also fits in well with the move of the basketball and Olympic programs to the ACC.

Anything would be better than joining the Big Ten. So, Jim Delany can smile all he wants. He will never get ND into his conference.

 

[TRest]

This must be a new record response-time for the ND pr department. Well done.

 

[1999.2004.2011]

No real problems here other than some normal grousing.

ND got a national TV hockey deal with NBC Sports out of the realignment to Hockey East. The move also fits in well with the move of the basketball and Olympic programs to the ACC.

Anything would be better than joining the Big Ten. So, Jim Delany can smile all he wants. He will never get ND into his conference.

From a UConn fan's perspective, why in the world would Notre Dame not want to be a full member of the B1G? What is the difference between the revenue generated from their current deal with NBC and what the Big Ten Network currently generates for it's members?
If you move to the B1G, they can resume your rivalries with Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue etc while making geographical sense for their Olympic sports teams. Set up OOC games with Boston College and USC for the next 20+ years and that takes care of the "national schedule" on the football side.

 

[Seaa Blue]

http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/01/carson-nd-left-outside-hockey-east/

They don't like being the only team from outside NE in Hockey East and are blaming the refs and bias for their losses. Somewhere Jim Delany is smiling.

I'm surprised they're not blaming the Big Ten for those losses in Hockey East.

 

[Seaa Blue]

From a UConn fan's perspective, why in the world would Notre Dame not want to be a full member of the B1G? What is the difference between the revenue generated from their current deal with NBC and what the Big Ten Network currently generates for it's members?
If you move to the B1G, they can resume your rivalries with Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue etc while making geographical sense for their Olympic sports teams. Set up OOC games with Boston College and USC for the next 20+ years and that takes care of the "national schedule" on the football side.

It's a delicate situation. Something to do with Post Rockne Yost Trauma Disorder (PRYTD). The vaccination is available but they're afraid that a Big Ten research institution had something to do with it.

 

[upstater]

Hockey East is a tough conference. AND anyone can vouch for the fact that ND is used to getting calls in sports. It's not going to happen in HE. BC doesn't get them, BU doesn't get them. I can't even begin to count the # of times Parker or York wanted to ring the refs' necks.

 

[nd73]

From a UConn fan's perspective, why in the world would Notre Dame not want to be a full member of the B1G? What is the difference between the revenue generated from their current deal with NBC and what the Big Ten Network currently generates for it's members?
If you move to the B1G, they can resume your rivalries with Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue etc while making geographical sense for their Olympic sports teams. Set up OOC games with Boston College and USC for the next 20+ years and that takes care of the "national schedule" on the football side.

Too put it simply is, we(ND and Big Ten) have a bad relationship and have for over a century. Both sides can take some blame but being in the Big 10 is a non starter.

 

[uconndogs]

How does Delaney get his pants on in the morning over those giant set of balls?

 

[CL82]

How does Delaney get his pants on in the morning over those giant set of balls?

He has a Pat's ball boy deflate them just a bit?

 

[FDNY99]

http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/01/carson-nd-left-outside-hockey-east/

They don't like being the only team from outside NE in Hockey East and are blaming the refs and bias for their losses. Somewhere Jim Delany is smiling.

My take on this...Tough !! They made their bed, now they have to lie in it!

 

[Kolumbo]

ND is always an outsider. It prefers it that way.
I can't believe he mentions flight times. Do they complain about flight times for olympic sports to Miami?

 

[BoatShow]

Next thing you know they'll say scheduling is too hard as a football independent.

Boo hoo!!!

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

The article's a joke. ND complaining about not getting calls? Please. Everyone in Hockey East hates Hockey East officiating. They don't like flying to every game? Join the NCHC and have fun flying to Grand Forks, Omaha, Colorado Springs, and Duluth every week. Feel free to join the B1G too, no one in Hockey East would really miss you all that much.

The writer is also a fool, BC is the only team with a competitive history against ND in any sport? Never mind the 15-year plus conference history with UConn and Providence.

 

[FDNY99]

I really find this hilarious to say the least! Fact if the matter is people at ND had a VERY over-inflated view of their hockey program, then reality came and bit them right square in the a**! When Cav is up to full scholarship strength, he will have his program surpassing Jackson's ND program VERY quickly. I also find the recruiting area a complete and utter comp out! Cab has gone to Minn to get Naas and Austin, Finland to get Kuunas & Ojantakanen. Maybe Jackson should get off his dead a** and make some calls to New England...they are ND...he should be able to open a few doors. As for the travel, you don't hear schools like UMASS-Lowell and Merrimack crying about having to go to South Bend...they should can it with the bitching! It's always the same with the duck*ING athletic dept and fan base!!

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

I really find this hilarious to say the least! Fact if the matter is people at ND had a VERY over-inflated view of their hockey program, then reality came and bit them right square in the a**! When Cav is up to full scholarship strength, he will have his program surpassing Jackson's ND program VERY quickly. I also find the recruiting area a complete and utter comp out! Cab has gone to Minn to get Naas and Austin, Finland to get Kuunas & Ojantakanen. Maybe Jackson should get off his dead a** and make some calls to New England...they are ND...he should be able to open a few doors. As for the travel, you don't hear schools like UMASS-Lowell and Merrimack crying about having to go to South Bend...they should can it with the bitching! It's always the same with the duck*ING athletic dept and fan base!!

Him whining about recruiting is another joke. He's got Michigan 10 miles to the north and Minnesota/Wisconsin right around the lake. He's not on an island somewhere. If Merrimack and Lowell can field competitive teams in Massachusetts having recruited every year against the [now former] Big Four, ND can find a way to bring in a few decent players. They've always had a very overinflated view of their hockey program. In reality, it's just a middle-of-the-road program that's had a few strong years.

 

[TerryD]

From a UConn fan's perspective, why in the world would Notre Dame not want to be a full member of the B1G? What is the difference between the revenue generated from their current deal with NBC and what the Big Ten Network currently generates for it's members?
If you move to the B1G, they can resume your rivalries with Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue etc while making geographical sense for their Olympic sports teams. Set up OOC games with Boston College and USC for the next 20+ years and that takes care of the "national schedule" on the football side.

Lots of reasons, in pretty much order of importance:



1) Historical hatred of the Big Ten by ND (and visa versa);

2) ND wants to stay out of a football conference;

3) ND wants to play more Southern and Western games for recruiting;

4) ND believes that the Big Ten "regionalizes" them to the Midwest/Mid-Atlantic;

5) Poor mix of schools. All except Northwestern are huge public land grant schools;

6) ND feels the Big Ten is run pretty much for the benefit of Ohio State and Michigan;

7) ND would make more money from the Big Ten, but lose exposure of OTA network (NBC);

8) A 9 game Big Ten schedule plus Navy, Stanford and Southern Cal leaves no room for Shamrock Series games nor big name series like Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona State, Georgia, etc..


My guess is that if a football conference membership was inevitable for ND, a poll of ND fans would find the ACC favored over the Big Ten by a huge margin.

Not many ND people are that fond of the Big Ten, most want the Irish to never have anything to do with that conference. That enmity is decades old and is in no danger of subsiding.

For ND, joining the Big Ten Conference would be like the Americans surrendering to the Japanese on Bataan. The Big Ten has always been the enemy for ND.

It would pretty much be the worst case scenario for ND in the reality of P5 conference realignment.

Every move that ND has made since 1991 (NBC contract, Big East membership, ACC membership, etc..) has mostly been made to keep football independent and out of the clutches of the Big Ten.

 

[FDNY99]

Him whining about recruiting is another joke. He's got Michigan 10 miles to the north and Minnesota/Wisconsin right around the lake. He's not on an island somewhere. If Merrimack and Lowell can field competitive teams in Massachusetts having recruited every year against the [now former] Big Four, ND can find a way to bring in a few decent players. They've always had a very overinflated view of their hockey program. In reality, it's just a middle-of-the-road program that's had a few strong years.

I also find it VERY ironic that this article comes out just after the 1/2 way point in the season. A season in which the newest member who was supposed to be a doormat (understandable with the fact Cav doesn't get to 18 scholarships until 2016-1017 season) has shown to be a competitive team night in and night out. This is ND and Jackson copping out and letting the world know why they won't be that good going forward instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting to work. You can most likely coroborrate this for me...a guy I work with went to BC and still has friends in the athletic dept there. He was told that the HE schools were excited to have UCONN join since it gave them another geographic rival, and that UCONN would do what was required to make the program a competitive one in HE. ND...not so much...it was more of them being bailed out and finding them a home.

 

[FDNY99]

No real problems here other than some normal grousing.

ND got a national TV hockey deal with NBC Sports out of the realignment to Hockey East. The move also fits in well with the move of the basketball and Olympic programs to the ACC.

Anything would be better than joining the Big Ten. So, Jim Delany can smile all he wants. He will never get ND into his conference.

Terry this fan base not included, I don't think this article is going to do ND any favors in HE circles. Jackson needs to suck it up and go recruit some players....

 

[TerryD]

Terry this fan base not included, I don't think this article is going to do ND any favors in HE circles. Jackson needs to suck it up and go recruit some players....

I agree. I pretty much think that all coaches of all programs would be better off keeping their mouths shut.

 

[CL82]

Conspiracy Kitty says:
It is obvious that ND has seen the handwriting on the wall regarding the college football playoff and realizes it may find itself on the outside looking in. It affiliated itself with the ACC because that was the only league that would not mandate that they are all in. At the time ND was like a parasite moving from a host it depleted to a fresh one, but now they apparently are having some buyers remorse. They are complaining about HE, and especially about travel, to open negotiations with the B1G, arguably about hockey membership, but in reality about full membership. The thing is they have to spoon feed it to their alums and big donors but it the end it will be a we had no choice sell that they reluctantly buy. This is carefully choreographed dance between Delaney and Jenkins that has been unfolding for some time now. The only thing I haven't figured out is how this will end up screwing UConn but we all know it will somehow.

 

[CTGoonie]

"It would pretty much be the worst case scenario for ND in the reality of P5 conference realignment."

So the worst case scenario for ND is Uconn's best case scenario? Got it.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

I also find it VERY ironic that this article comes out just after the 1/2 way point in the season. A season in which the newest member who was supposed to be a doormat (understandable with the fact Cav doesn't get to 18 scholarships until 2016-1017 season) has shown to be a competitive team night in and night out. This is ND and Jackson copping out and letting the world know why they won't be that good going forward instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting to work. You can most likely coroborrate this for me...a guy I work with went to BC and still has friends in the athletic dept there. He was told that the HE schools were excited to have UCONN join since it gave them another geographic rival, and that UCONN would do what was required to make the program a competitive one in HE. ND...not so much...it was more of them being bailed out and finding them a home.

Most HE coaches and players weren't terribly excited for ND because of the travel and them not really being a high-power program. The schools themselves and specifically the conference jumped all over it because ND brought the NBC Sports contract. HE teams really, really like that HE has always been a bus league. Adding ND was not exactly the type of wow program that made everyone jump at the opportunity to fly. If suddenly Michigan and/or Minnesota decided they wanted to join HE, everyone would gladly fly to play them.

From a competitive standpoint, I buy the programs liking UConn's inclusion, so long as there was a commitment on the table from the AD to properly fund and advance the program, which they've certainly done. Prior to Warde when the program was languishing as an AHA doormat, no HE school would've voted them in. Now that competent people work in the AD and there's been a demonstrable commitment to upgrading the program, it made a lot of sense and many coaches and teams are very happy with the inclusion.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Also FWIW, very trusted and connected HE reporter Mike McMahon tweeted earlier today that he would not at all be surprised if ND left HE within a few years.

 

[TerryD]

"It would pretty much be the worst case scenario for ND in the reality of P5 conference realignment."

So the worst case scenario for ND is Uconn's best case scenario? Got it.

Yes, pretty much so.