ND meeting with ACC presidents

Could someone please try explaining to me one more time why it would be "sad" for Notre Dame to be acting in its best interests as opposed to ours? Can anyone give me an example of when UConn did something opposed to its best interests to help Notre Dame, or, if not, why it's "sad" that we didn't?

Without debating theological dispensation, about which I am pretty sure UConn's role has been nonexistent in the history of mankind, I am pretty sure that with respect to the common management of the Big East, Notre Dame has received special dispensation as compared to any other member. Special rights, special obligations...that sort of thing.

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You have to admit ND got everything they could from the BE and if they kick us to the curb for the ACC it is sad.

Regardless of self interest it is sad.

They have the ability to help the BE survive and do quite well for themselves right where they are. If they don't I hope karma shows up soon.

BE has been ND's b*tch forever.

If any deal happens between the ACC and ND it will not be that kind of a relationship. The ACC will demand that ND give as much as it gets.

If ND declines where are they going to go? To the academic lightweight conference a/k/a as the Big12?

ND's best conference fit is the ACC and unfortunately for ND the ACC knows it and Swoffird will negotiate from that position.

No way.

• ND gives BE basketball a good program with National Recognition
• ND's arrangement in the bowl selection helps keep the BE at the table.
• It isn't to ND's advantage to jon a conference in football.
• The ACC won't get ND to join without offering a double share.
• ND helps Hockey East.
• Playing ND and beating Charlie Weiss helped UConn's visibility.
• Playing ND at Yankee Stadium should have been a no brainer.

Over the years we've had our share of pests come on the Boneyard. Some were a little amusing, but all worked out to be quite annoying over time. You've been annoying since day one. Congratulations!

ND - ACC? Someone confused the U w/ Miami of Ohio

"Hockey officially comes to Soldier Field next February. The venue will host the sport for the first time when four college teams -- Notre Dame, Miami (Ohio), Wisconsin and Minnesota -- arrive for the Hockey City Classic, event organizers announced Monday." http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...e-hockey-in-february-20120709,0,1356135.story

Of course they have. Their deal with the Big East served their purposes, so they took it. Just like ours did.

We have publicly announced that we would leave the Big East if we could. How is that serving the interests of USF or Seton Hall? I am a strong believer in that universities should condut their businesses morally and with respect for their parters, but they are still businesses. For us, as well as Notre Dame. Or did I miss all of us saying how awful it was that we were willing to help the Big East throw Temple out by taking its place?

Those conversations are simple. ND and the BE need a payoff to keep them from appearing at Yankee Stadium on New Years day either against each other or an opponent.

The speculative question is if the ACC is trying to simply sever ND from the BE and pay them directly rather than have the BE guarantee ND bowl payments each year as is done now. Essentially that means the ACC absorbed Pitt, SU and the ND Bowl Contract in their BE raid.

Waiting to see how NBC counters.......

For those unaware of the current ND/BE/BCS bowl deal they guarantee ND money every year ($1.7 mil for participating in the BCS agreement and not going rogue) and the Gator Bowl gets to choose ND once every 4 years (another $2.2 mil), Should the Irish make a BCS bowl (of any kind) they get the same as a BCS at-large pick ($6.5 mil last year to at-large teams) as a bonus.

It reads to me that in the absence of the BCS that it has fallen on to the ACC to neutralize ND and get them to play nice and not do that dirty Yankee Stadium thing every New Years at 1:00 PM EST

Um, I'll give it a shot. It would be "sad" for Notre Dame to be acting in its best interests as opposed to Connecticut's because I am a Connecticut fan. Good things for Notre Dame don't matter to me very much, but good things for the University of Connecticut, make me happy. If Notre Dame abandoned their independance in order to stabilize the conference just after we were voted in as a football member, that would have made me happy since it would have been good for UConn. If they then scheduled a home and away series with us that would also have made me happy. They didn't so I was a little sad, since it was bad for us.

To sum up: good for UConn = happy, bad for UConn = sad.

I hope that helped.

Yes, thank you, I understand that pefectly. It's written with the self-centered maturity of a ten year old because grown-ups don't epect third parties to act against their own self interest just to please them, but I understand it perfectly.

Or maybe because expecting third parties to act in an ethical manner is not a sign of immaturity, but recognition of appropriate behavior in a complex society. Killing someone over a candy bar could be, in absolute terms, considered to be acting in my self interest if I really wanted a candy bar. It doesn't mean that kind of behavior should be condoned or rationalized by condescending, cynical, know-it-alls.

I would think a lawyer who is further up the evolutionary scale than ambulance chaser would understand concepts like good faith and fiduciary duty.

What had ND done that is unethical with respect to their conference affiliation? It hasn't been unethical enough in the eyes of the other Big East schools to cause them to make any attempt to remove them from the conference. It hasn't been enough for the individual football schools to not schedule them.

But nice job throwing in ethical since the post you quoted had no mention of ethics. I know that you think you have insight to what goes on in these negotiations - you don't. You have no idea if Notre Dame has acted in good faith - if they haven't why has no one in the Big East mentioned it?

Obviously it is a good thing for Notre Dame. The sad part is that the BE would see Notre Dame doing this and do nothing about it. It is one thing for the BE to have Notre Dame be a part of the BE for all non-football sports but not in the sport that ND adds the most value (football). That is fine if it is because Notre Dame wants to remain independent and doesn't want to affiliate with a conference in football. But have a loose affiliation with the BE (bowl tie-ins, BCS money, etc). But for the BE to allow Notre Dame to be affiliated with its biggest competition and help the ACC by enterering a bowl affiliation--that is a sad state of affairs for the BE.

So it is not sad that ND would do this in terms of ND's best interests. It is a sad state of affiars that the BE would watch one of their members enter an alliance and agreement with their biggest competition and someone who has been working on destroying their very existance in football--and the BE stand by and do absolutely nothing about it.

That is why it is sad....get it now?!

We haven't received and good news since we Beat USF for the BE Championship. It has been one hit after another since then. We are due.

Speaking of the self-centered intellectually of a ten year old ....

Note to Nelson -- acting in one's self interest is not the same as acting unethically. People act in ethical manners that are in their own self interests all the time. As UConn would be doing if it accepted an invitation to another conference if it came.