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Mildly positive, but ultimately little impact. It no longer requires even numbered divisions or any divisions, so a 16th team isn't needed but there is no incentive for anyone to expand.

Opportunity: +1
Incentive: no change
 
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Mildly positive, but ultimately little impact. It no longer requires even numbered divisions or any divisions, so a 16th team isn't needed but there is no incentive for anyone to expand.

Opportunity: +1
Incentive: no change

The one incentive for the ACC to add us is the possibility of the B1G beating them to the punch. Does the ACC want to own the northeast or be second fiddle in the northeast.
 

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I can only see this as a negative as far as the ACC goes.

Now the ACC waits until ND joins ( likely never) but if they do? Then the ACC stops with 15 full sports schools.

Maybe when B1G negotiates tier 1 in s couple years, this helps as the Big 12 schools and ACC schools are locked in a GOR?
 

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I think its a positive. It takes the question of who is UConn's partner off the table. The B1G or ACC could go three pods of 5 for FB.
I agree. Anything that opens up the possibility of a conference adding another school is a positive. Partner, we don't need no stinking partner!
 

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Tremendous positive. There is no attractive partner for UConn in either league so realistically for us to go anywhere soon, it has to be to a 15-team league. This makes that possible.

Doesn't mean we'll be added, but now we get to make our case as a standalone entity. The B1G and the ACC will listen and make up their minds.
 
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I can only see this as a negative as far as the ACC goes.

Now the ACC waits until ND joins ( likely never) but if they do? Then the ACC stops with 15 full sports schools.

Maybe when B1G negotiates tier 1 in s couple years, this helps as the Big 12 schools and ACC schools are locked in a GOR?
The ACC could grab us now, and wait to add ND (likely never). Before, they would have to add UConn and a partner. That puts pressure (perhaps minimal, but pressure nonetheless) on the B1G and the ACC: here's a school that draws in NYC that is now fair game.
 

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We're golden:

“It was a very pivotal point, not just for our conference,” said Swofford, the ACC commissioner. “I think it settled the overall landscape with the major conferences.”

Why would Swofford say the landscape was settled, unless he was trying to disguise another realignment move?
 

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1000% good. The B1G could add us at any time now and not have to worry about a Kansas GOR or a Missouri exit fee issue. B1G football doesn't need to add a premier football power, it already has Michigan, tOSU, Penn State (Franklin will restore that program quickly), Wisconsin, Sparty, and Nebraska. What the B1G needs most is 1) basketball and 2) New York City. Yes, B1G basketball is good but it is definitely a notch below the ACC in terms of perception and top-to-bottom quality. Adding UCONN would give the B1G a toe to toe fight with the ACC overnight as well as opening the door into NYC. While NYC is not so much of a college football town, it is, without a doubt, a big-time college basketball town thanks to its Big East roots. UCONN = NYC for the B1G and nothing the ACC can add or do in the future will ever take that away.

Very interesting quote here:
“You wouldn't necessarily have to have divisions,” Swofford said. “You could look at several different ways -- the two best winning percentages within the conferences. That would be a pretty sophisticated tiebreaker.”

UCONN football is going to improve. Sports are cyclical. By the time we could potentially be added to the B1G, our young football team will have a few seasons under Diaco (and detached from Pasqualoni's poison) and won't be a drag on the schedule. Let's be honest: we are never going to be Alabama good. But if we can shoot for consistent 6-8 win seasons with an occasional 10 win season and shot at a league title, then that would make UCONN incredibly valuable. Conferences wouldn't necessarily be shackled with regional pods (although it would be important to build regional rivalries) and could schedule the conference as a whole each season to create a fair and balanced weight for all teams.
 

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The question remains, why would anyone invite us right now? There has to be a $$$ number attached to the equation.

Let's say Delany wants to get us in and growing while we are hot.

He needs to assure $2-3 for all subscribers in CT on all systems basic tier.

He needs legislature support to expand the Rent to 55k.

He needs his member schools to convince the AAU to invite UConn.

He needs to convince his member Presidents this is a good idea.

He needs to convince some broadcast outfit to up the fees for the additional content.

That's a lot for one man.
 
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The question remains, why would anyone invite us right now? There has to be a $ number attached to the equation.

Let's say Delany wants to get us in and growing while we are hot.

He needs to assure $2-3 for all subscribers in CT on all systems basic tier.

He needs legislature support to expand the Rent to 55k.

He needs his member schools to convince the AAU to invite UConn.

He needs to convince his member Presidents this is a good idea.

He needs to convince some broadcast outfit to up the fees for the additional content.

That's a lot for one man.
Well, there will be a renogotiation of the B1G contract in 2016/2017, so they may want to try to lock in the Northeast before that.
 

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He'll be talking to TV execs about how much the B1G would get with and without UConn. It's quite likely that B1G+UConn earns about the same per school as B1G without UConn; Connecticut will pay $2 a subscriber so that's most of the money right there. Strategically, we give a much greater purchase on NYC and entry into New England, a large region of the country that is basically unpenetrated by college sports apart from UConn basketball. From an entrepreneurial perspective, there is tremendous growth potential here and UConn has to be tempting. I don't think AAU will be a barrier if the dollars and strategy makes sense. More important will be the fit with whatever future plans the B1G is making with B12 teams. Stadium size doesn't matter, UConn will get it done, they just make that a condition of entry and of raising the B1G payout from the initial half share to a full share.
 
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Well, there will be a renogotiation of the B1G contract in 2016/2017, so they may want to try to lock in the Northeast before that.

Exactly. If the future B1G TV partners believe we will add value, we will be added.

This is the time for UConn to gather ourselves and get commitment from CT cable providers to agree to jack the fees if UConn is in the B1G and as part of the BTN. UConn needs to be really proactive on this.

Overall, I think this is a great news since it will allow B1G to take us now and wait for #16.
 
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It is good. Any change is good. Will it prove to be the lifeline we seek? What it does is give the ACC optionality. They can sit back and gamble the BIG will look elsewhere, if anywhere, or they can lock up the Atlantic Coast. If UConn were to get picked up by the BIG, it drives a dagger right thru the heart of the ACC footprint, and cedes NYC to the BIG. That's a big gamble to take after all the work done to date.

And the idea of pods must die - the PAC12 would be at 16 if they could have convinced members to go to 4 pods; ACC is not going to pods. Pods divide up terrritory the conferences sought so hard to establish. Why would you have a pod w/Pitt, BC, UConn and Cuse? How does that help any of them? Are we looking at semi-final conference games?
 
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The question remains, why would anyone invite us right now? There has to be a $ number attached to the equation.

Let's say Delany wants to get us in and growing while we are hot.

He needs to assure $2-3 for all subscribers in CT on all systems basic tier.

He needs legislature support to expand the Rent to 55k.

He needs his member schools to convince the AAU to invite UConn.

He needs to convince his member Presidents this is a good idea.

He needs to convince some broadcast outfit to up the fees for the additional content.

That's a lot for one man.

Whittling down objections:

1) Expanding the Rent to 55k is in OUR control, not his.

2) Regarding AAU, according to BIG 10 spokesman Scott Chipman, potential additions are not required to be in the AAU:

"There are no restrictions regarding expansion - potential additions are not required to be in the AAU, and they do not have to be in (or adjacent to) the eight Big Ten states," league spokesman Scott Chipman wrote in an e-mail. Removing the AAU and geographic limitations means the Big Ten can add any school from anywhere in the country.

Also this:

“We want to play in an academic consortium in which we have like kinds of institutions,” Gee said. “That will be very important to us.”
Lack of membership in the AAU would not necessarily preclude an invitation to the Big Ten, Gee said.
“I would not say that it’s absolute, but we certainly want to have like-minded institutions,” he said. “For example, there could be some institutions that are really elegant undergraduate institutions that don’t meet the criteria of the AAU, [which is] made up of these massive research institutions.”
 
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1000% good. B1G football doesn't need to add a premier football power, it already has Michigan, tOSU, Penn State (Franklin will restore that program quickly), Wisconsin, Sparty, and Nebraska. What the B1G needs most is 1) basketball and 2) New York City. Yes, B1G basketball is good but it is definitely a notch below the ACC in terms of perception and top-to-bottom quality. Adding UCONN would give the B1G a toe to toe fight with the ACC overnight as well as opening the door into NYC. While NYC is not so much of a college football town, it is, without a doubt, a big-time college basketball town thanks to its Big East roots. UCONN = NYC for the B1G and nothing the ACC can add or do in the future will ever take that away.

If you go back 25 years the B1G has won only 1 National Championship in hoops - MSU in 2000. That is pretty darn pathetic for a "big time" conference.
 

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I don't think it helps or hurts.

I just think the ACC wants to avoid sending Duke to their championship game again.

I think it hurts more than it helps but you're right, it's a way to basically make sure Florida State ends up playing Clemson, VT, GT or Miami in the title game every year.
 
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It is good. Any change is good. Will it prove to be the lifeline we seek? What it does is give the ACC optionality. They can sit back and gamble the BIG will look elsewhere, if anywhere, or they can lock up the Atlantic Coast. If UConn were to get picked up by the BIG, it drives a dagger right thru the heart of the ACC footprint, and cedes NYC to the BIG. That's a big gamble to take after all the work done to date.

And there is also the Cincinnati gamble. That one also addresses both conferences. The Bearcats are of no value to the BUG, and former OSU President Gee has been honest that half of the Big 2 certainly gains from Cincinnati being cut out. But the ACC could gain from having the Bearcats, perhaps most by hitting right that the heart of the BeeOneGee.

Historically, OH has been the most important state for the BeeOneGee in both football and basketball, especially football. The middle of the conference is as good as it is only because its 2nd and 3rd tier programs count on landing a bunch of 3 star OH talent. BeeOneGee football cannot afford to have even a minority of OH's 3 star recruits begin to see another power conference as a good landing place.

ACC sports will soon be all over OH in recruiting. Pitt to the east, ND to the west, and Louisville to the south all border OH. Now, ACC schools can recruit OH players and say their conference is local. Get Cincinnati in the ACC, and that pitch will be made easily.

Can the BeeOneGee risk the ACC in D'Oh?
 

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I think it hurts more than it helps but you're right, it's a way to basically make sure Florida State ends up playing Clemson, VT, GT or Miami in the title game every year.

Agree. The ACC CG will be some combo of FSU/Clemson/VT/GT/Miami/ND every year and the only possible way for another school to get into the ACC CG will be to run the table. The ACC would probably even rig their own system so that a 2 or 3 loss FSU/ND got in over a 1 loss BC or Cuse.
 
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Agree. The ACC CG will be some combo of FSU/Clemson/VT/GT/Miami/ND every year and the only possible way for another school to get into the ACC CG will be to run the table. The ACC would probably even rig their own system so that a 2 or 3 loss FSU/ND got in over a 1 loss BC or Cuse.

The more compelling reason is to make sure that the two best teams play in the ACCG game. More specifically, to prevent what happened last year where Florida State played Duke in the ACCG game - simply because Duke was the winner of the comparatively weaker Coastal Division last year; all the while a Top 10 team - Clemson - missed the CG simply because they were in the same Division as Florida State. The goal is to ensure that as many teams as possible have the opportunity to qualify for the new bowl championship structure. Some reports have said that one of the criteria being considered is having the two teams with the highest poll ranking play in the CG. If that were in place last year, Florida Sate would have played Clemson.

Selecting a brand-name 3-loss team for the ACCG over a more successful, higher ranked team that year is counterproductive to the Conference's goal of ensuring that more than 1 team gets into the new playing structure since if that 3-loss team suffered a 4th loss in the ACCG, they aren't going to one of the new bowls, where as a more successful, higher ranked team that year might.
 
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And there is also the Cincinnati gamble. That one also addresses both conferences. The Bearcats are of no value to the BUG, and former OSU President Gee has been honest that half of the Big 2 certainly gains from Cincinnati being cut out. But the ACC could gain from having the Bearcats, perhaps most by hitting right that the heart of the BeeOneGee.

Historically, OH has been the most important state for the BeeOneGee in both football and basketball, especially football. The middle of the conference is as good as it is only because its 2nd and 3rd tier programs count on landing a bunch of 3 star OH talent. BeeOneGee football cannot afford to have even a minority of OH's 3 star recruits begin to see another power conference as a good landing place.

ACC sports will soon be all over OH in recruiting. Pitt to the east, ND to the west, and Louisville to the south all border OH. Now, ACC schools can recruit OH players and say their conference is local. Get Cincinnati in the ACC, and that pitch will be made easily.

Can the BeeOneGee risk the ACC in D'Oh?

They have no choice about it, since they would never consider taking Cincy themselves. I don't think they are worried about it. The ACC's entry to the Midwest with Pitt/ND/Lville and in your scenario Cincy would have been achieved at the cost of opening up the northeast to the B1g, letting them grab Maryland, Rutgers, and UConn. I think the B1G must be ecstatic at that trade. ND, Pitt, Lville, and Cincy were never joining the B1G so they lost nothing there; and Maryland, Rutgers, and UConn are the flagships of major states and together add a region of 51 million people and much wealth and media influence to the B1G footprint.

If your claim is that the ACC will permanently surpass B1G in football thanks to its penetration of Ohio, I doubt it. First, New Jersey and Maryland add more prep football talent than second-tier schools can take from Ohio. Second, the gain in national media exposure from greatly expanding the league's fan base will itself bring tremendous recruiting advantages.
 
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