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... there is only one solution for the B12 and ACC. Existing leagues would make for profitless networks, like the Pac network only even weaker. They have to dissolve and re-form with a high value league (state flagships with good markets + marquee sports schools) and a low value league (flotsam and jetsam).

First 12+1:
Texas+Oklahoma+Kansas
FSU+GaTech+Clemson+UNC+NC State+Duke+UVa+Va Tech
UConn
Notre Dame with independent type deal

Add from (Miami, West Virginia, Pitt, Iowa State, K State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor) to get to whatever number (14, 16) is revenue maximizing per school.

It would probably be impossible to dissolve unless some critical mass of schools (3/4 per conference or so) agree, so you would need the Pac to pick up four B12 schools. It might not be bad for them to pick up Iowa State, K State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and have a state school presence in the Central Time Zone. Their biggest weakness is that their marquee schools play at the wrong hours for exposure in the Eastern Time Zone. A Central Time Zone presence would be good for them. This might make up for the relative weakness of the available schools.
 

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A little too fantasy football for me. These aren't just TV properties, they are universities.

You would need enough schools from each league to disolve their respective leagues to create the free agency to make it work. I can't see them hitting that number where all hands are invited to the new league.

Much more likely that the top properties join existing leagues.

Right now there are estimates being prepared and presented to individual schools about jumping ship.

I think the ACC schools would Crack first if they see no network that will bridge the financial chasm that is forming between them and the other leagues.

The ACC has been rather unified so far. That may change. Just like the big East it only takes one or two weak links to break the chain. If FSU and Clemson are enough to get Texas to sign for a network and OU to sign a GOR, then it might happen.

That leaves UNC and VA with big decisions to make. Hold the league together or jump ship. Unlike the Big East, if UNC stays the ACC can survive.
 

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You know UNC, UVa, and Texas are talking, along with ESPN, about what to do. These ESPN's marquee properties outside the SEC, and they are underpaid relative to peers in the top two leagues. They need to reconfigure in a way that captures more value.

A simple first step would be Texas +LHN moving to ACC with a Notre Dame type deal, which would solve Texas's problem but not help UNC/UVa much. But I don't think you can easily solve all the major issues with piecewise moves. Affiliations have to be re-thought top to bottom and reconstructed in one piece. A difficult deal to be sure but also the revenue-maximizing deal for the schools involved.
 

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You know UNC, UVa, and Texas are talking, along with ESPN, about what to do. These ESPN's marquee properties outside the SEC, and they are underpaid relative to peers in the top two leagues. They need to reconfigure in a way that captures more value.

A simple first step would be Texas +LHN moving to ACC with a Notre Dame type deal, which would solve Texas's problem but not help UNC/UVa much. But I don't think you can easily solve all the major issues with piecewise moves. Affiliations have to be re-thought top to bottom and reconstructed in one piece. A difficult deal to be sure but also the revenue-maximizing deal for the schools involved.

A great reshuffling may happen in our lifetime, but it seems we are still one or two tv contract cycles away for the time being.
 
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I wonder at what point Congress (or the NCAA) steps in.
If the pie continues to grow with more schools falling by the wayside, it's only a matter of time before a state flagship finds themselves on the outside looking in. whether it's right or wrong, I think people outside CT might put an asterisk on Uconn because they were 'fast-tracked' to a BCS league. But a school like Kansas or WVU being left out might raise some eyebrows, especially when state $'s are involved.
 
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I wonder at what point Congress (or the NCAA) steps in.
If the pie continues to grow with more schools falling by the wayside, it's only a matter of time before a state flagship finds themselves on the outside looking in. whether it's right or wrong, I think people outside CT might put an asterisk on Uconn because they were 'fast-tracked' to a BCS league. But a school like Kansas or WVU being left out might raise some eyebrows, especially when state $'s are involved.

A sort of socialism could take place, I guess. Force an equal wage between an engineer and a line cook.

In reality, the current P5 league of some 64 programs already has too many outlying programs that sit on the weak side of the bell curve...Too many programs have moved up into a classification that their athletic prowess, recruiting, and fans can not support.

With Alabama, Ohio State and Old Dominion and Arkansas State swimming in the same FBS pool, it is like mixing go carts and Formula 1 cars. You do need a separation.

The rub has been that some programs were mixed into the P5 league based on past conference relationships rather than any objective criteria.

You could have P5 football criteria for any existing members...average attendance of 40,000 at a minimum.

That would drop from the P5....Boston College, Duke, Kansas, Northwestern, Purdue, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, and Washington State.

But that can't be done.
 
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I wonder at what point Congress (or the NCAA) steps in.
If the pie continues to grow with more schools falling by the wayside, it's only a matter of time before a state flagship finds themselves on the outside looking in. whether it's right or wrong, I think people outside CT might put an asterisk on Uconn because they were 'fast-tracked' to a BCS league. But a school like Kansas or WVU being left out might raise some eyebrows, especially when state $'s are involved.
Look how quickly Utah got in to the Pac12 when Orin Hatch started threatening trouble. I think its a likely outcome depending on who is left out.
 
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The PAC10 had few options outside of Utah and Colorado when the Texas deal fell through.

I don't think Congress or the NCAA will do anything. If they did, the P5 schools would vote to create a total separation from the other schools. Sort of like a Super D1. Then only the P5 schools would compete in championships and tournaments among themselves.

At one time, Delaware and Maine, state flagships, were playing in the same division as the Ohio States and Alabamas before the separation in the 70s. I don't see Delaware or Maine being able to force the NCAA or Congress to give them more money. You just have a clear breakoff into a different division.
 

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Maybe, but interesting it coincided with one of the most powerful members of the Senate threatening to sue the BCS.
 
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Utah was in the right place...in the west. That was the factor. If Hatch had been from Memphis, and they went to the PAC 12, that would not have been a coincidence
 

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You know UNC, UVa, and Texas are talking, along with ESPN, about what to do. These ESPN's marquee properties outside the SEC, and they are underpaid relative to peers in the top two leagues. They need to reconfigure in a way that captures more value.
How is UVA a marquee property? Outside of being a fantastic academic school, which ESPN could care less about, what makes them marquee? They're located in VA so that possibly brings the DC market into play but nothing they've done on the field shows they are worth being labelled marquee. You don't think FSU or Clemson rate above UVA when discussing marquee programs? Just curious because UVA would not make my list when thinking of top schools that are not in the B1G or SEC at this moment. I'm not talking about Big 12 schools because they are not a total ESPN property.
 

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How is UVA a marquee property? Outside of being a fantastic academic school, which ESPN could care less about, what makes them marquee? They're located in VA so that possibly brings the DC market into play but nothing they've done on the field shows they are worth being labelled marquee. You don't think FSU or Clemson rate above UVA when discussing marquee programs? Just curious because UVA would not make my list when thinking of top schools that are not in the B1G or SEC at this moment. I'm not talking about Big 12 schools because they are not a total ESPN property.

Think of them as Rutgers with more cachet.
 

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How is UVA a marquee property? Outside of being a fantastic academic school, which ESPN could care less about, what makes them marquee? They're located in VA so that possibly brings the DC market into play but nothing they've done on the field shows they are worth being labelled marquee. You don't think FSU or Clemson rate above UVA when discussing marquee programs? Just curious because UVA would not make my list when thinking of top schools that are not in the B1G or SEC at this moment. I'm not talking about Big 12 schools because they are not a total ESPN property.

Football recruiting, academically elite school, good TV markets available and essentially contiguous
 
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Football recruiting, academically elite school, good TV markets available and essentially contiguous

Exactly. Also, UVA is an AAU school. Great Olympic sports as well, though that is more a bonus and not so much a requirement.

Lots of football recruits in NOVA, Hampton Roads and Richmond areas.
 
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Football recruiting, academically elite school, good TV markets available and essentially contiguous


Football recruiting, academically elite school, good EXCELLET TV markets available, rich and deep alumni base, and essentially contiguous
Figured I would adjust this a bit. UVA, Maryland, UNC, Rutty, and GT would give the BIG I-95 from NYC to The South Carolina Boarder (at least) and I-85 from Virginia to Atlanta (SEC would be bigger here, but great place to be second in market penetration). With the demographic trends on population growth in the Southeast, this would be a bonanza.
 
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