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If you're reading this and something gets spoiled for you, you're stupid for even opening the thread and I'm not sorry.

Okay - so I'm re-watching last Sunday's episode and they get to the part where the giant chick and Jaime Lannister fight on the bridge. And bam, my brain went all thinkin'.

Now...why in the duck* would Jaime Lannister try to steal a sword and kill the big chick? Or worse, risk getting himself killed? Or perhaps just slightly less worse, end up alone and handcuffed in the woods.

Her sole goal is to deliver him safe and sound to his home. He has a very large escort with two swords guiding him back to safe and sound town...and he has a problem with that why?
 

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I think its mostly because he's Jamie Lannister and no woman is going to walk him around in bracelets and deliver him back to his family like a hostage. A guy like that would probably prefer death. He's also a cocky sonofabitch so in his mind outsmarting and out fighting Brienne was a foregone conclusion
 

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Yeah, Jamie's really cocky and he felt like he could beat Brienne, but she's too beastly for him.
 

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If I remember correctly from the books, Jaime also thought the plan was stupid and they were going to get killed. So he wanted to escape.
 

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The bigger plot WTF from the book is why the Grey joys attacked the North. They had no chance of success, but that decision pretty much dictates everything that happens the rest of the books.
 
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Greyjoy. Every story has to have "that guy".

Jamie Lannister is wanted by Robb Stark. His mother (against Robb's wishes) sent him back to King's Landing in exchange for Sansa and Arya.

It's better for Jamie to cut himself loose than to risk falling back into Robb's hands or the hands of another faction that will hold him hostage.
 

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If I remember correctly from the books, Jaime also thought the plan was stupid and they were going to get killed. So he wanted to escape.

Yep, you're right.
 
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Jaime was right.

Good episode tonight. Bout damn time.

Tyreon is a good boss!
 

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I wish they had introduced Riverrun and Edmure last season. The battle of Stone Mill is enormously important in Book 2, and really tells a lot about the entire Northern leadership. It would have been a good way to introduce Edmure, and even the book does not have a lot of actual fighting, just Kat hearing reports from the fighting, so it would have not been expensive to film.

In the book, Tywin is leading his army southwest to get Robb, who is tearing up Casterly Rock after winning Oxcross. Robb orders Edmure to stay in the castle, and Kat spends about 30 pages reflecting on what a loser her younger brother is. Edmure decides he is going to show everyone, defeats Tywin trying to cross through the Riverlands, which sends Tywin back towards Kings Landing, just in time for him to join up with the Tyrells and stop Stannis at Blackwater.

So Edmure wins a huge victory, but really makes a mess of things in the process. You briefly get that in tonight's episode, but not the full impact of what he did, which develops over several chapters in the book.

I think Robb's wife in the show makes infinitely more sense than his wife in the book, who just kind of shows up one chapter and is a total idiot. His wife in the show is much more believable as a partner and queen to him. I think some of Martin's female characters are very well written, and other times his writing comes across as completely sexist. Margaery Tyrell is also much more interesting in the show than she was in the books.
 
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I kind of read between the lines because Robb stated one of the the overall strategic objectives.

I like the actor who plays Edmure. He played Brutus in Rome.

This show is almost like a Rome reunion now.
 
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I thought that if Jaime came back on his own. then there is no deal.
 
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I'm just glad we're past the "couple of episodes of catch-up and Where-Are-They-Now" and into the real meaty part of the season.

They are diverging from the books in a couple of ways (TV Spoilers Below, mostly no book spoilers), though:

1. No real mention of the Bloody Mummers, Vargo Hoat, etc. I know it'd be tough to fit them into the Brienne/Jaime storyline, but I really enjoyed them in the books.
2. Moving the stuff about Theon up from A Dance with Dragons into Season 3. None of this was known in Book 3 and I really think it's awesome that they're fleshing out the whole storyline. Won't spoil how it goes, but so far I really like how they've diverged from the books and kept Theon around.
 

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Martin is a master of having characters seem like they are winning while they are really losing. Renly offers his, and by extension Tyrrell, support to Ned Stark, who says " no, I'm good", right before walking into the throne room with a piece of paper and getting his ass kicked. Renly is marching south with a giant army courtesy of his boyfriend, and Stannis goes lord of light on him. Stannis is about to take Kings Landing and barbeque Cersei and Jeffrey, and the Imp holds him off long enough for Twin to rescue it. And Tywin wouldn't have been there in the first place if he hadn't gotten his ass kicked by Kat's loser younger brother.

When it is going really well for a character, something bad is about to happen.
 

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That was very funny.

Great episode last night. This season is stretching the capacity of viewers to follow all the scattered plot lines. Book 3 is the best of the series, but it is a rambling mess at times.
 

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I actually think it's the second best line. The one that made me laugh was Jaime talking about Renly - "It's a shame the throne wasn't made of cocks...they'd have never gotten him off it."
 
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That was very funny.

Great episode last night. This season is stretching the capacity of viewers to follow all the scattered plot lines. Book 3 is the best of the series, but it is a rambling mess at times.

This season and the next are all of Book 3. They have to stretch it out or they will run out of books. But it seems like there has been enough plot to sink your teeth into so far.
 

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