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Alright, UCONN and Oklahoma works too.

Whst a lot of midwesterners thst don't travel much may not get - is that little CT has just under the same population of people that Oklahoma has, and about a half million more than Kansas.

If its going to be about tv sets and all.
 
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There was a time when Syracuse in the Big10 was a legit issue of discussion. Penn State was an outlier for years and years. There has not been an all sports conference at the highest division of football in the northeast since the ivy league dropped out. Division 1A / FBS football means a lot of other sports too. The big schools were always independants in football until the early 1990s.

The big east, did what it did, and Penn State went to the big 10, and every single other division1A athletic department which included UCONN as of 2000, left the big east for conferences based elsewhere and scattered.

The best things that ever happened to the UCONN athletic department and conttibuted to the growth if the school was in succession, basketball success in thd big east, upgrading to 1A football in the big east, and the upgrading hockey to Hockey East.

The big10 is the conference that has the best options to build a northeastern corridor conference, but they're not going to extend reach beyond midwestern large college alumni without at least two parts of the tri-state puzzle. Maryland isn't bringing it, and just signifies thevMason-Dixon line. University of New Jersey is just a placeholder and scheduling opportunity for midwestern alumni without travel long distance.

UCONN gives the conference competitive basketball in the mecca - football scheduling in the NYC area and New England draw, and would put Big10 hockey squarely in the middle of northeastern hockey recruiting and new england hockey fans.

Its really the logical thing for the big10 to do. Kansas and UCONN. 16 teams. 2 divisions. Conference basketball and hockry championships in Madison Square Garden. Football championship at one of the NYC venues.
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But OU won't be able to recruit Texas as they can now.
 

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But OU won't be able to recruit Texas as they can now.

Why do people say that? They became a power while in the Big8. They had no Texas schools in their conference. There is 191 road miles in-between Dallas and Norman. Lincoln is over 3 times further away (641 miles).

We don't know what will happen, but to make a blanket statement like that really doesn't make sense to me. College sports is all about coaching. Since joining the Big10, Nebraska has had a mediocre coach in Pelini and a wtf coach in Mike Riley. Since Tom Osborne retired, there has been a series of lousy coaches in Lincoln. In fact, they really weren't doing all that well while playing in the Big12. There were 15 Big12 championship games while Nebraska was part of the Big12. They played in only five, winning two of them. Three of those were in the first four years. Two of them while Osborne was coach. The worst part of it is they played in a division with ISU, Colorado, Kansas, KSU, Missouri. Nebraska's slide was started well before they went to the Big10. If they get a bluechip coach they will be back.

Again, a top notch coach makes all of the difference. Alabama wasn't Alabama between Stalling and Saban. OSU's worst year was in-between Tressell and Urban, and Urban went undefeated with almost the same players in his first year! Jim Harbaugh took a team that, a year before, couldn't get out of it's own way with a senior QB, took an Iowa cast off and won 9 games from a team that was 5-7 the year before. Texas has only won 3 Big12 championships and they are, Texas! USC hasn't been USC since Carroll left. There are so many instances of traditional programs that have fallen off without top level coaches.

As long as Stoops is there, they will be able to recruit well. If they get an Oklahoma level coach, they will be just fine, IMO. The benefit of being a traditional program is that it's easier to hire the best coaches and if they make the right hire, they will carry on. Nebraska changed their entire culture when they hired the west coast offense coach Frank Solich. Going from an option bases program to a pro is hard enough. When the coach you hire to do that isn't a top coach, well it's impossible. If Nebraska get's their act together and puts the money and effort into their program again, they will be a very good program again.
 
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Nebraska 2.0 if that happens...
That certainly has to concern them. That's why the SEC ,with an already existing Texas team is the much more logical choice. Especially if another Texas School goes with them.
 
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Look. Here's what it is.

If expanding eastward involved expanding the media exposure footprint such that gaining a meaningful share of the northeast corridor and NYC is the goal - then the job is not complete without UCONN sports.

The content and draw for television of what all of uconn can bring in the market is plain undeniable. Prior to the disaster that tge ACC caused, and the hand uconn was forced to play with for tge time being - look how much uconn women's basketball made alone on TV for SNY in the market. They still out draw mens sports. Add football, mens basketball, and hockey and its a no brainer -IF the goal was to maximize exposure, viewership and market in the northeast corridor NYC region.

The other issue, is that 15 programs is a screwy scheduling and divisional number. Not sure if it would be manageable - a16th would be necessary.

UCONN has become a natural fit for the big10 in every way, including academics. IF the cinference really wants NYC and northeast corridor TV marketshare.

Very frustrating for at least this uconn diehard.
 

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Look. Here's what it is.

If expanding eastward involved expanding the media exposure footprint such that gaining a meaningful share of the northeast corridor and NYC is the goal - then the job is not complete without UCONN sports.

The content and draw for television of what all of uconn can bring in the market is plain undeniable. Prior to the disaster that tge ACC caused, and the hand uconn was forced to play with for tge time being - look how much uconn women's basketball made alone on TV for SNY in the market. They still out draw mens sports. Add football, mens basketball, and hockey and its a no brainer -IF the goal was to maximize exposure, viewership and market in the northeast corridor NYC region.

The other issue, is that 15 programs is a screwy scheduling and divisional number. Not sure if it would be manageable - a16th would be necessary.

UCONN has become a natural fit for the big10 in every way, including academics. IF the cinference really wants NYC and northeast corridor TV marketshare.

Very frustrating for at least this uconn diehard.

As it should be frustrating for you. UConn deserves to be in a P5 conference, more so than any non-P5 school and many that are already in.
 

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But OU won't be able to recruit Texas as they can now.
Oklahoma has only played on a conference that has had Texas member schools for two decades. They had little problem recruiting the state of Texas when they were in the B-8 (along with earlier incarnations of that conference). If they end up in the B1G it won't hurt their recruiting.
 
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Couldn't disagree with this part more. Almost every aspect of it. The rest is great!

The logical adds for the Big10 that they could actually get (and that's still in debate) is not UConn and Kansas. It's UConn and Oklahoma. Out of the pool of realistic candidates, Oklahoma is the best add. They are a traditional power that is still extremely relevant. While I doubt that OU would get the BTN in Texas, they do have draw in the Dallas market. While the Big10 likes it's basketball, it's still a football conference. Marketing Oklahoma games against national teams like Michigan, OSU and PSU would be a boon. Renewing the rivalry between OU and UNL would make for great TV. A line up of rivalry games the Saturday after Thanksgiving including Michigan/OSU at Noon, PSU/MSU at 3:30 and OU/Nebraska at 8:00? A marketers dream. With OU and UConn, you get the national exposure of a football king, and a double down on the NYC market with some exposure in the NE (not convinced that UConn alone would bring the entire NE).

As far as having the basketball and hockey championships every year at the Garden? It might be great for the marketing in NYC, but it would come at the expense of your core fanbase. A rotating schedule like the one that they will going forward with, is great. To have the championships that far away from your students every year is bad business. The old guard is already angry at the additions of Rutgers and Maryland. Moving your championships that far away every year will make them angrier.

Oklahoma is a lock when it comes to football for any conference. For the B1G, unlike the XII, its more that football. How much of a negative is Oklahoma's academics, non-AAU & US news #108, would it be the B1G's university's presidents to add them? Would Kansas, which brings basketball and not football to the table, be more attractive because of academics - AAU and US News #115 to the B1G?

I have no issue with holding the B1G hockey tournament in the Midwest (Chicago, Detroit, Columbus, Milwaukee, etc.) as that it its core base and the B1G is still trying to build a hockey 'brand.' But, hosting a college basketball tournament at MSG in NYC is magical and a marketing dream. There are enough B1G alumni in NYC metro to support it, though they may grumble about UConn fans treating MSG like a 3rd home, which it is, should UConn be added to the B1G. Plus, as an added bonus, if the B1G can move its tournament to MSG on a semi-permanent basis, it would give the ACC a heart attack and send them back to Greensboro while Syracuse would likely jump into Onondaga Lake.
 
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As it should be frustrating for you. UConn deserves to be in a P5 conference, more so than any non-P5 school and many that are already in.

To be honest, BYU deserves to be in a P5 more than UConn; but, they have chosen so far not to join a P5 conference for various reasons. UConn did not choose to be outside of the P5.
 
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Oklahoma Board of Regents was part of starting all this , 30 years ago. John Toner, UConn's John Toner was also involved.

He was an advocate fir 1-AA football in all the mess. Toner was wrong, about cost-containment 1-AA football. Time has proven.

and until the college football post season gets to a true playoff of conference champs and there are no more independants, the Pandora's box that was opened by that supreme court lawsuit - will stay open.

What amazing irony it would be, if UCONN finds itself playing football agsinst Oklahoma as a conference opponent.

Its not like we haven't already done it in a New Year's Day bowl game.
 

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Oklahoma is a lock when it comes to football for any conference. For the B1G, unlike the XII, its more that football. How much of a negative is Oklahoma's academics, non-AAU & US news #108, would it be the B1G's university's presidents to add them? Would Kansas, which brings basketball and not football to the table, be more attractive because of academics - AAU and US News #115 to the B1G?

Honestly? I don't know. I think it would be hard to pass up them up. While their academics are not great, Oklahoma is not an horrible school either. If it Oklahoma can bring more eyes to their universities and fit with what they want (Oklahoma is considered a "High Research Activity" school by the Carnegie Institute), I just can't see them passing them up. I always go back to Nebraska. Even though they were AAU when invited, the Big10 presidents knew they were about to get kicked out. Michigan and Wisconsin led the charge! You don't make a rule that means nothing so you can get by it on a technicality. You just change the rule! The Big10 had their shot at Kansas when Nebraska joined and they passed. Nebraska was set to join and Mizzou was begging to get in. Kansas would have been a great partner, but the Big10 passed.

I have no issue with holding the B1G hockey tournament in the Midwest (Chicago, Detroit, Columbus, Milwaukee, etc.) as that it its core base and the B1G is still trying to build a hockey 'brand.' But, hosting a college basketball tournament at MSG in NYC is magical and a marketing dream. There are enough B1G alumni in NYC metro to support it, though they may grumble about UConn fans treating MSG like a 3rd home, which it is, should UConn be added to the B1G. Plus, as an added bonus, if the B1G can move its tournament to MSG on a semi-permanent basis, it would give the ACC a heart attack and send them back to Greensboro while Syracuse would likely jump into Onondaga Lake.

Sorry, wasn't clear. I think having the tourney at MSG in the rotation would be great and I think that's already in the books. I understand the magic (I used to love the old Big East tourneys), but they need to have them in the Midwest as well.
 

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Delaney took all of the other commissioners lunch money. I think he actually felt bad for Marinatto and tried to help him when he told him he needed to start thinking more strategically. I could not believe Marinatto actually said that publicly, but ultimately his strategy consisted of sending the Big 12 commissioner roses.

That he could not build consensus among his schools to take ESPN's billion dollar offer was a colossal failure.

You keep repeating the same stupid lie. 14 of the 17 Big East schools made out like bandits for rejecting that billion dollar offer. Clearly, the offer was a low ball.
 
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BTW - The Big10 Super Saturday at The Madison Square Garden is this weekend.

Michigan - PSU basketball @ noon
Michigan - PSU hockey @ 7:00

Still Tickets available, but limited. UConn would look great in this event!


Future B1G Super Saturday Games at Madison Square Garden...........

http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/012716aaa.html


Big Ten Announces 2017-19 “Super Saturday – College Hoops & Hockey” Doubleheader Matchups

Big Ten announced future matchups for 2017, 2018 and 2019, with six more men’s basketball teams and the remaining four hockey programs scheduled to compete at legendary Madison Square Garden


Jan. 27, 2016


ROSEMONT, Ill. – With the inaugural “Super Saturday – College Hoops & Hockey” doubleheader set for Saturday, Jan. 30, in New York City, the Big Ten announced future matchups for 2017, 2018 and 2019, with six more men’s basketball teams and the remaining four hockey programs scheduled to compete at legendary Madison Square Garden.

The doubleheader features conference competition on an annual basis in late January or early February, with nine different Big Ten institutions competing in men’s basketball and/or hockey from 2016-19. On Saturday, Jan. 28, 2017, Rutgers will host Wisconsin in men’s basketball while Ohio State will take on the Badgers in hockey. On Saturday, Jan. 20, 2018, Minnesota will entertain the Buckeyes on the court, while Michigan State will host the Gophers on the ice. In 2019, Maryland will face Illinois in men’s basketball. The 2019 hockey matchup, times for 2017 and 2018 and date and times for 2019 will be announced at a later date.

The inaugural “Super Saturday – College Hoops & Hockey” doubleheader will feature Penn State and Michigan in both basketball and hockey on Saturday at The Mecca. The basketball game will tip at Noon ET, while the hockey game will begin at 7 p.m. BTN will air both contests. Tickets can still be purchased through Ticketmaster at www.ticketmaster.com or by calling (866) 858-0008. Those interested in purchasing a suite for the doubleheader should contact Melinda Churchville of Madison Square Garden at (212) 465-6762.

In Dec. 2014, the Big Ten announced an extensive agreement with Madison Square Garden to feature the Big Ten Men's Basketball Tournament in New York City for the first time in 2018, along with men's basketball and hockey doubleheaders from 2016 through 2019 and a significant branding presence both inside and outside the building.

The upcoming schedule for the “Super Saturday – College Hoops & Hockey” doubleheader appears below:

Jan. 30, 2016
Men's Basketball: Michigan at Penn State
Hockey: Michigan at Penn State

Jan. 28, 2017
Men's Basketball: Wisconsin at Rutgers
Hockey: Wisconsin at Ohio State

Jan. 20, 2018
Men's Basketball: Ohio State at Minnesota
Hockey: Minnesota at Michigan State

2019
Men's Basketball: Illinois at Maryland
Hockey: TBD

About the Big Ten Conference: The Big Ten Conference is an association of world-class universities whose member institutions share a common mission of research, graduate, professional and undergraduate teaching and public service. Founded in 1896, the Big Ten has sustained a comprehensive set of shared practices and policies that enforce the priority of academics in the lives of students competing in intercollegiate athletics and emphasize the values of integrity, fairness and competitiveness. The broad-based programs of the 14 Big Ten institutions will provide over $200 million in direct financial support to more than 9,500 students for more than 11,000 participation opportunities on 350 teams in 42 different sports. The Big Ten sponsors 28 official conference sports, 14 for men and 14 for women, including the addition of men’s ice hockey and men’s and women’s lacrosse since 2013. For more information, visit www.bigten.org.

About The Madison Square Garden Company: The Madison Square Garden Company (MSG) is a world leader in live sports and entertainment with a portfolio of legendary sports teams, exclusive entertainment productions and celebrated venues. MSG Sports owns and operates some of the most widely recognized sports franchises: the New York Knicks (NBA), the New York Rangers (NHL) and the New York Liberty (WNBA), along with two development league teams -- the Westchester Knicks (NBADL) and the Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL). MSG Sports also presents a broad array of world-class sporting events, including: professional boxing, college basketball, tennis, bull riding and e-gaming events. MSG Entertainment features exclusive, original productions that include the Radio City Christmas Spectacular and the New York Spring Spectacular, both showcasing the Rockettes. MSG Entertainment also presents or hosts a wide variety of live entertainment offerings, including concerts, family shows and special events, in the Company’s diverse collection of iconic venues. These venues are: New York’s Madison Square Garden, The Theater at Madison Square Garden, Radio City Music Hall and Beacon Theatre; the Forum in Inglewood, California; The Chicago Theatre; and the Wang Theatre in Boston, MA. More information is available at www.themadisonsquaregardencompany.com.
 

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It's a nifty idea, but no one here will care a lick about any of those double-headers.

Maryland fans might make the drive in 2019, but the rest of those match-ups are pure dreck. The empty seats will have empty seats to put their coats on.

God bless 'em, but the Big Ten yelling "New York!" at every possible moment doesn't actually mean they're here.
 
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It's a nifty idea, but no one here will care a lick about any of those double-headers.

Maryland fans might make the drive in 2019, but the rest of those match-ups are pure dreck. The empty seats will have empty seats to put their coats on.

God bless 'em, but the Big Ten yelling "New York!" at every possible moment doesn't actually mean they're here.


Exactly.

UCONN - the 6th borough, can claim different. We draw in NYC.
 
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The basketball match-ups are awful and hockey, well, it's not quite the NHL.
 
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The first double header is tomorrow. I want to see attendance numbers.

Michigan and PSU doubleheader is the biggest draw that the big 10 can claim right now in NYC.


Will be intersting to compare to other NYC events that involved UCONN at MSG.
 
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It's a nifty idea, but no one here will care a lick about any of those double-headers.

Maryland fans might make the drive in 2019, but the rest of those match-ups are pure dreck. The empty seats will have empty seats to put their coats on.

God bless 'em, but the Big Ten yelling "New York!" at every possible moment doesn't actually mean they're here.

I am not so sure...

Jan. 30, 2016
Men's Basketball: Michigan at Penn State
Hockey: Michigan at Penn State

Jan. 28, 2017
Men's Basketball: Wisconsin at Rutgers
Hockey: Wisconsin at Ohio State

Jan. 20, 2018
Men's Basketball: Ohio State at Minnesota
Hockey: Minnesota at Michigan State

2019
Men's Basketball: Illinois at Maryland
Hockey: TBD​

Michigan and Mayrland will draw well in NYC, especially basketball. Ohio St will be decent (I have heard they are really big Alumni wise in DC) and Wisconsin travels well. Not sure how successful Penn St will be in getting fans to show-up for their baskebtall team as that program has lagged behind for decades; but, their hockey team should do well as their alumni in NYC who can't travel to State College will have an opportunity to see their team. Doubt Minnesota and Illinois will be good as neither has a large alumni presence in NYC.

For entertainment value, I would love to see a UConn fans buy most of the Rutgers basketball tickets for the 2017 game and wear blue for the game just to make a statement about whose basketball team owns MSG (and we know that certain Rutgers fans will claim that it was all Rutgers fans at MSG because everyone was wearing red, which also happens to be Wisconsin's color).
 
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http://www.courant.com/sports/hc-sweet-16-uconn-at-msg-pg-20140326-015-photo.html

I completely disagree with conehead. This is going to be a curiosity thing for michigan,psu alumni. Without anything to draw sustained interst and competition, its going nowhere. They'll stay home.

There will be numbers to compare. I'm going on a limb and predicting that the uconn women's game against maryland a couple weeks ago outdraws the hockey game. Uconn maryland mens in december was 19,812 attendance in the box score.

Maryland will have some bball fans, but how many - without uconn on the floor?

2013 - uconn v bc @ uconn v indiana drew 10,000+ on consecutive nights for a mid november early season event. Mostly blue in the stands, and we were just through the door of conference hell.

Need to remind anyone of what the MSU v UCONN matchup at the garden did for business, ticket prices in March 2014?


Michigan v PSU basketball might get a big draw in year one, but there is nothing sustainable in that schedule.

Uconn has been going to the Garden since 1951.
 
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