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psconn- - - RIGHT ON! I agree with your post above 150%!
Both Bones and Bentley are "me" players and not "we" players!
When I saw how emotional Coach Miller got talking about what Kelly Faris brings to every game & practice he was also saying what Bone & Bentley don't bring to the table.
Could you imagine what Kelly Faris "heart" would do with Alex Bentley's athletic ability? Kelly would be a perennial all-star!
 

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GREAT post psconn. As a fan of the game, but one who has never seen a WNBA game live, there is MUCH more that goes on behind the scenes that we don't see. It sounds like not only was Bone a chemistry problem, but a poor teammate with a poor attitude and a less than idea work ethic. She has a JOB in the WNBA. It pays for her rent, food, etc etc. I hope the HC in PHX whips her into shape, or "fires" her. That would be a bad trade for PHX, but they have to know what they got when they traded for her, right?
 

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This trade makes no sense.
What are they thinking?

For the Sun's part, culture shift in progress. Another punch at the reset button.
For the Mercury's part, there is huge disappointment with the way this season has unfolded. They are desperately trying to right the ship and I think maybe Kelsey or another post will be packaged for another trade.
 

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GREAT post psconn. As a fan of the game, but one who has never seen a WNBA game live, there is MUCH more that goes on behind the scenes that we don't see. It sounds like not only was Bone a chemistry problem, but a poor teammate with a poor attitude and a less than idea work ethic. She has a JOB in the WNBA. It pays for her rent, food, etc etc. I hope the HC in PHX whips her into shape, or "fires" her. That would be a bad trade for PHX, but they have to know what they got when they traded for her, right?

Eric, Please don't make the take-away that Kelsey is a bad person or poor teammate. I don't think she is either, and is clearly a gifted athlete. Curt Miller is a Geno disciple and he is very serious about establishing a UConn-like culture with the Sun (If it can happen in a berg like Storrs, it can happen in Uncasville). Geno has passed on a lot of really outstanding talent because they didn't meet his "cultural prerequisites".

With the Mercury seriously underperforming, maybe this puts some pressure on Griner. There may be more deals to come for the Mercury and having a All-Star center as a bargaining chip gives you some leverage.
 

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Eric, Please don't make the take-away that Kelsey is a bad person or poor teammate. I don't think she is either, and is clearly a gifted athlete. Curt Miller is a Geno disciple and he is very serious about establishing a UConn-like culture with the Sun (If it can happen in a berg like Storrs, it can happen in Uncasville). Geno has passed on a lot of really outstanding talent because they didn't meet his "cultural prerequisites".

With the Mercury seriously underperforming, maybe this puts some pressure on Griner. There may be more deals to come for the Mercury and having a All-Star center as a bargaining chip gives you some leverage.
Thanks for your reply. I shouldn't have automatically jumped to the conclusion that she was a chemistry problem for the team. I hope the change of scenery breathes new life into her game!
 
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I can't figure this out from Phoenix' perspective. They are a fast team with a motion-based offense and two existing stars. Bone is a flat-footed, back-to-the-basket, old school center who thrives when she is the focus of the offense.

From a Sun POV, this is an indication both that they are collecting assets for additional trades and that this year is over. The roster was full of decent players and a few good ones, but none of the pieces fit together. It is time to decide what you want to be as a team and build into it. Williams brings a strong offensive game and gets a chance to make a new impression. The draft pick can't hurt, and Alleyne may be a solid player off the bench.
 
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With the Mercury seriously underperforming, maybe this puts some pressure on Griner. There may be more deals to come for the Mercury and having a All-Star center as a bargaining chip gives you some leverage.

Griner isn't going anywhere. She and Taurasi have a connection, and that's worth more than just another center. I have to believe that they will be using Bone in another trade.

Wouldn't it be a GAS if it was to send her to San Antonio for that lil' water bug of a PG they have?
 

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I would be totally on board with this if we hadn't given away Elizabeth Williams. That may be the biggest mistake of this "administration" and it just got magnified 10-fold. Can Jonquel Jones and Henry-Morello fill this gap? Not this year for sure and unless JJ starts hitting the weight room and playing a stronger game, not in the next couple years either.

It is not my intent to beat Kelsey up headed out the door. I was a big supporter of hers and think she has the talent to be an elite true center in the W. Her mid range game and low post size was something the Sun really need from the post. She should be a guaranteed double-double every night. But...

Because chemistry has been such an issue here, and because Coach Miller puts such a big emphasis on UConn-like team behaviors, I watch players and their interactions very closely during shoot-arounds, warm-ups and on the bench. Kelsey does not conform to what the team does during warm-ups. She lays on her stomach on the court watching the rest of the team in lay-up lines and then at some point joins in. This does not appear to be special stretching or back exercises. She hangs back when the team goes to the bench to start the game and then sprints in with hand-slaps down the line. She does not greet the opposing team at center court like the rest of her team. She hangs back underneath the basket removing and stowing her necklace and then striding to the circle to jump at the last minute. I am not an X's and O's guy, but I don't think Miller likes the ball to move around well on offense and then stick in Kelsey's hands and she maneuvers, back to the basket, one-on-one (not denying she's pretty good at this when she can finish, but it seems to stall everything). All of this (and there's more) comes off as an air of self-importance and not a team-first attitude. It's "I've got to be me", rather than "We've got to be us".

Sad to say, our other All-Star, Alex Bentley may be heading down the same road. Another extremely talented player who, when things are going well has a great personality and positive demeanor, but when the going gets tough can become Alex on he bench with a towel over her head. Getting Courtney Williams may be the first step on Alex's road out of Uncasville.

I actually feel bad for both Kelsey and Alex because they don't get how important this kind of thing is. Great teams know, and they cultivate, the winning team-first culture. I feel most sad for the long time season ticket holders who, in seemingly diminishing numbers, come to the Arena and watch the Sun push the reset button over and over again.
well said... Bone remind me of Charde, talent but mind be racing in its own direction.
 
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Griner isn't going anywhere. She and Taurasi have a connection, and that's worth more than just another center. I have to believe that they will be using Bone in another trade.

Wouldn't it be a GAS if it was to send her to San Antonio for that lil' water bug of a PG they have?

Griner has been good, but not the dominant center that she was in college, and which everyone presumed she would be in the pros. By contrast, Breanna has been everything she was expected to be. And more?
 

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Griner isn't going anywhere. She and Taurasi have a connection, and that's worth more than just another center. I have to believe that they will be using Bone in another trade.

Wouldn't it be a GAS if it was to send her to San Antonio for that lil' water bug of a PG they have?

Didn't mean to suggest that she was going anywhere and I as I said "I think maybe Kelsey or another post will be packaged for another trade." I don't think Phoenix is Kelsey's last stop in any case. If Phoenix wants to "go big" now, they would be REALLY, REALLY BIG. :D
 
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I truly believed C. Williams could have came off the bench and helped the Mercury if given a chance.

I don't get it with some of these wnba coaches. Really I don't.
 

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What an odd trade. Surely they could've gotten more for Bone, at least they should have gotten Isabelle Harrison as well.

How happy will Bone be regulated to a backup? She's not starting over Dupree, and Phoenix likes to play Bonner at the 4 (sometimes). Griner will probably get 30 minutes too.

Obviously there's more to this trade than meets the eye. How happy will Bone be? I'm guessing very happy. She may have even asked for a trade in the same fashion that Tina Charles did. We don't know.
If there were troubling times in Uncasville, they kept it quiet. Some teams are still able to keep things in house, and out of reach or ear shot of the media. The Sun have Jonquel Jones and Aneka Henry-Morello who are
both 6' 4", So they're not completely devoid of height. They should have gotten more for Bone. If your trading partner perceives a hint of desperation on your part, they can take advantage of your dilemma. When trading, who doesn't want something for nothing? I think psconn hit the nail on the head with his/her comment. I think there's a lot of truth in that post.

This trade makes no sense.
What are they thinking?

If you're a GM, and your coach comes in your office and tells you he's/she's had it with a player, and that he no longer wants that player on the team, and asks you to do EVERYTHING you can to get rid of said player, you try and do it. That's what it sounds like happened here. It was probably a win-win trade. They wanted her gone, and she wanted to go. It does not make sense to us, because we don't know all of the inside details, if we did, it probably would make sense. I would not be surprised if there was a part 2 to this deal. The Sun may have another ace up their sleeve they haven't played yet. It's a little too early to throw in the towel on the season. It's not half over yet. Time will tell.
 

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I truly believed C. Williams could have came off the bench and helped the Mercury if given a chance.

I don't get it with some of these wnba coaches. Really I don't.

I agree. I'll bet she'll get a lot more playing time in Connecticut than she did in Phoenix. She was a scoring machine at USF. I saw her hit some impossible shots against UConn that made me say "ouch". :eek:
The thing that stuck in my mind about Courtney was that her expression never changed throughout the game. She could hit a go ahead 3 from 35', or get knocked down on defense, her expression never changed.
I wondered a time or two how she (and the team) would have fared if she had gone to Storrs instead of South Florida.
 
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Griner isn't going anywhere. She and Taurasi have a connection, and that's worth more than just another center. I have to believe that they will be using Bone in another trade.

Wouldn't it be a GAS if it was to send her to San Antonio for that lil' water bug of a PG they have?
MoJeff for Bone? I can't think of a worst trade. That would be a blunder of epic proportions for SA.
 
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Per article by Doug Feinberg today :
"It had been discussed. I had asked a couple of times (to be traded). It didn't catch me off guard. It didn't catch me by surprise," Bone said. "I'm excited about it. I'm about being comfortable."

"When things don't work, you have to be comfortable enough to say it's not for me. That was a situation that wasn't for me, and I'm ok with that. I played there for 2.5 years. It's been hard. We've been doing a lot of losing. That's a franchise that's going to get it together and figure it out. I'm happy to have been a part of them."
 
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I would be totally on board with this if we hadn't given away Elizabeth Williams. That may be the biggest mistake of this "administration" and it just got magnified 10-fold. Can Jonquel Jones and Henry-Morello fill this gap? Not this year for sure and unless JJ starts hitting the weight room and playing a stronger game, not in the next couple years either.

It is not my intent to beat Kelsey up headed out the door. I was a big supporter of hers and think she has the talent to be an elite true center in the W. Her mid range game and low post size was something the Sun really need from the post. She should be a guaranteed double-double every night. But...

Because chemistry has been such an issue here, and because Coach Miller puts such a big emphasis on UConn-like team behaviors, I watch players and their interactions very closely during shoot-arounds, warm-ups and on the bench. Kelsey does not conform to what the team does during warm-ups. She lays on her stomach on the court watching the rest of the team in lay-up lines and then at some point joins in. This does not appear to be special stretching or back exercises. She hangs back when the team goes to the bench to start the game and then sprints in with hand-slaps down the line. She does not greet the opposing team at center court like the rest of her team. She hangs back underneath the basket removing and stowing her necklace and then striding to the circle to jump at the last minute. I am not an X's and O's guy, but I don't think Miller likes the ball to move around well on offense and then stick in Kelsey's hands and she maneuvers, back to the basket, one-on-one (not denying she's pretty good at this when she can finish, but it seems to stall everything). All of this (and there's more) comes off as an air of self-importance and not a team-first attitude. It's "I've got to be me", rather than "We've got to be us".

Sad to say, our other All-Star, Alex Bentley may be heading down the same road. Another extremely talented player who, when things are going well has a great personality and positive demeanor, but when the going gets tough can become Alex on he bench with a towel over her head. Getting Courtney Williams may be the first step on Alex's road out of Uncasville.

I actually feel bad for both Kelsey and Alex because they don't get how important this kind of thing is. Great teams know, and they cultivate, the winning team-first culture. I feel most sad for the long time season ticket holders who, in seemingly diminishing numbers, come to the Arena and watch the Sun push the reset button over and over again.
Great "inside basketball" post.
 
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I stated earlier in this thread that I wouldn't be surprised if the Sun turned this trade into another with Courtney Williams replacing Alex Bentley as shooter then turn Bentley and several of those draft choices acquired for other players in a deal for a Center! Rachel Banham who was supposed to be the "hired gun" and wail those 3's has been slowed down by her ACL knee from 2 years ago so she hasn't played or has played limited minutes.
Right now the Sun have J. Jones at 6'6", Tuck at 6'2", Henry-Morello at 6'4", and C. Ogumnike at 6'4" to play Center if they can't pull off another deal sending Bentley for a Big!
If the Sun are going to lose, they might as well get rid of all the non-believers and shape the players with the right attitude for the future!
Tonight they gave LA all they could handle with the LA announcers starting the game talking smack about LA being the #1 team in the league should walk through the 2nd worst team in the WNBA! Then Sun up 2 at 1/2 time then lost close by 7. They had their chances to beat LA but turnovers and Bentley going 5-16 hurt bad as did C. Little going 1-7 for 2 points! The 3rd period again was the killer for the Sun down 25-13. They came back in the 4th to outscore LA 22 -19!
LA looked horrible for "best team in WNBA!"
 
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I stated earlier in this thread that I wouldn't be surprised if the Sun turned this trade into another with Courtney Williams replacing Alex Bentley as shooter then turn Bentley and several of those draft choices acquired for other players in a deal for a Center! Rachel Banham who was supposed to be the "hired gun" and wail those 3's has been slowed down by her ACL knee from 2 years ago so she hasn't played or has played limited minutes.
Right now the Sun have J. Jones at 6'6", Tuck at 6'2", Henry-Morello at 6'4", and C. Ogumnike at 6'4" to play Center if they can't pull off another deal sending Bentley for a Big!
If the Sun are going to lose, they might as well get rid of all the non-believers and shape the players with the right attitude for the future!
Tonight they gave LA all they could handle with the LA announcers starting the game talking smack about LA being the #1 team in the league should walk through the 2nd worst team in the WNBA! Then Sun up 2 at 1/2 time then lost close by 7. They had their chances to beat LA but turnovers and Bentley going 5-16 hurt bad as did C. Little going 1-7 for 2 points! The 3rd period again was the killer for the Sun down 25-13. They came back in the 4th to outscore LA 22 -19!
LA looked horrible for "best team in WNBA!"

After beating the Lynx, I figured that LA would have a letdown game against whomever they played next. If LA looked horrible, then how did the Lynx look losing to the Mystics by 24 points? Most of the winning teams this weekend had a worst record than the opponent they beat.
 
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A positive for Morgan? A negative for Kelly?

JAVAMAN, i personally think its good for Kelly and Morgan. I saw alot of selfish saturday-at-the-park play especially in the beginning of the seaon. My only concern is Courtney being a team player. She wont dominate as she did in college, and there were some personal issues evident, as her college coach sat her at times. Hoping she learned while with Phoenix sitting the pine. Sometimes thats what it takes. All in all, regardless of Bone's talent being gone, this will bone well for the Conn and Phoenix.
 
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What a difference in coaches as human beings.
When Anne Donovan traded Tina Charles to NY and Kara Lawson to Washington at the presser to announce the 2 trades, she said she wanted people who wanted to win and was loyal to the team! Tina is a team first player from the school of Geno, and Kara's father had a major heart attack home in VA and she had a serious back injury and couldn't play anyway so she went to VA to take care of her Father. AD ordered her back to CT and Kara said no her back therapy and Dad was in VA!
When Curt Miller just traded Kelsey Bone to PHX he said it was a pleasure to coach her and wished her luck!
 

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Excuse me for being a little flip, but I am glad that the Sun will now have better team chemistry and will now have a better culture. That plus three all-stars will make them a contender. Now, they just need three all-stars.

I can't help but feel that they are just treading water.

Last year's top players - ranked by PER

1. Bone - 19.8 PER traded mid-season
2. E. Williams - 17.9 traded pre-season
3. C. Gray - 17.8 traded pre-season
4. A. Bentley - 17.3 (PER of 9.8 this year)
5. S. Stricklen - 16.4 (PER of 12.8 this year)

All of their top players from last year are either gone or have regressed. I understand that they are re-building, but to me it makes more sense to start from the good players you already have and work from there. Bone is 24. Williams and Gray are 23. Bentley and Stricklen are 25. So it's not like age was a factor.

I understand the idea of trading for good young players and hoping they blossom into stars but it makes less sense for me when you are trading good young players for the rookies you hope will blossom into stars.
 
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