Clemson BOT says NO to Big12

So are you claiming to be an insider now?

Is observer really a Cuse fan posting on a UCONN board? We've owned these guys since entering the Big East. Talk about brain dead........

Obviously you and those of your ilk haven't been paying attention. Tuxedo Dodo and a host of other internet insiders and bloggers (some of whom are actually almost real reporters) have been saying that Clemson and FSU are a done deal and have been approved since early May. Get with the "real" game and eschew sanity for the shadowy world of message board insiders, mystery sources and readers of tea leaves.

In fairness to the "insiders", they did say that nothing was going to happen until Bowlsby takes over.

Wow, somebody needs to get a life considering you either remember that post or took the time to go back and do the research to find it.

I used Syracuse simply to make a point. The poster that I responded to said WVU was better than Clemson and cited last year's Orange Bowl. I looked at WVU's schedule for last year, found the crappiest team that beat them by a wide margin and made the same argument.

Syra, like Pitt, has a much better history in FB than UCONN but recent results are nothing that anyone can use to argue that they are a top program as far as on the field performance.

HUH? so you are a proponent of #suckharder? how do recent results not reflect on field performance? what the hell are you talking about?

Accusing people of being a Syracuse fan seems the be the standard message board attack on this subforum, i.e. "I don't lie what you said, you must be a Syracuse fan!" Particularly if you post anything remotely questioning whether FSU and Clemson are going to the Big 12. Which is odd considering neither movement has any effect on UConn (or Syracuse for that matter). But I'm trying to use logic on the Internet, and that's probably not a good idea. Just drink the Kool-aid and no one will care...

Have both FSU and Clemson actually said no, or did one or both fail to receive an immediate Big 12ish invitation or simply acknowledge the ACC's an easier road than going through UT, OU, and whichever other schools are top programs from year-to-year?

Maybe, but truth is a defense for libel.

Hard to tell. It appears that there is an ongoing negotiation that hit a sizable speed bump, and now Clemson is pledging eternal fealty to the ACC. We will probably never know why there was a 180 degree about face.

And falsity is not a defense. I can quote legal jargon too!

Per the article:

The Clemson Board of Trustees met Wednesday afternoon, not only to discuss tuition increases, but to let two of Clemson’s head coaches give their opinions on a potential move to the Big 12.

Head football coach Dabo Swinney and head basketball coach Brad Brownell joined the meeting via teleconference to give their opinions on a potential move, according to Board of Trustees Chairman David Wilkins.

“Obviously, it makes sense to include the entire Clemson family on this, and we asked the coaches to share their opinion with us,” Wilkins told TigerNet Wednesday evening. “Coach Brownell and Coach Swinney were nice enough to spend a few minutes with us. We asked them for their opinion, and they shared their thoughts. They were on the call for a short period of time.”

Then he goes on to say:

“We are 1000 percent in the ACC,” Wilkins told TigerNet. “There are no offers, no discussions and we are concentrating on being the best we can be in the ACC.”

Someone posted this on the Clemson board:

If this was to put a rest to the rumors:

1. Why even ask the coaches for their opinion? If there's no discussions, no contact, no talks, no negotiations, what do the coaches opinions matter?

That's correct. And when the poster (me) responded back to you, showing you the last 10 years of data that spelled out why WVU was the superior team to Clemson, the poster (me) did not hear back from you. I know that you know the poster (me) was right. It would have been nice to see you post "good point."

So when you don't rescind your comical statements, don't expect other posters to either, right?

Funny. Not in the least. Sometimes common sense rules. Florida State in the Big 12 doesn't make sense.

From what I remember you classlessly patted yourself on the back at the end of your post so I assumed you did not need warm and fuzzies from me.

It wasn't me who was due your meaningless "warm and fuzzies." If I recall correctly, it was Fishy's post that you were trying to shoot down with your crazy Clemson>WVU rhetoric, and that is who I was expecting you would man up to and say "perhaps I was wrong." Then again, Fishy is 6'6", 250, so perhaps he won't require your mea culpa either...

Yep. Institutions turn down $100 million of additional revenue all the time. Good call.

You are right, they generally don't. Yet there are Clemson and FSU are still in the ACC. So either that differential isn't real, they aren't interested in moving even for the money or the Big XII doesn't want them. Now the Big XII added West Virginia and has an incentive to get to 12 teams. Which reason do you think is most likely?

Here's the latest from my guru at UT who is very well plugged in.

"Right now, the B 12 is standing pat.This could change when the ESPN deal gets renegotiated .....now Sept 1 ....for the playoff format. That is what my sources are saying. It seems to be consistent.
I did think that 2 weeks ago, CU and FSU to the Big 12 was a done deal."

Texas has been on the record as liking 10 teams. I think, as I said in the Notre Dame thread a week or so back, that the Irish would make a feint to the Big 12 to try and freeze expansion, and that appears to be exactly what happened. Texas either fell for it, or simply used it as an excuse to stand pat. They probably looked at FSU and Clemson the same way the ACC looks at Rutgers and UConn. They don't need to add us, and if they don't add us, we may just go away on our own. If they can get ND, great, if not, they go with 10 teams, including 6 that are among the Top 15-20 programs in the country right now. Why split the playoff money 2 more ways, and why bring Clemson and FSU in if they are not a threat to make the playoffs out of a crappy ACC anyway?

I suspect that support for expansion is split, with the non-Texas schools preferring a larger conference and Texas and Oklahoma preferring a smaller one. Looks like Texas got its way.