AAC vs Big East attendance

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  1. dmac80

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    I guess being On 24 times this season on a station in 90 million homes isn't "Big TV"? Btw the FS TV deal being worth significantly more than the AAC Espn deal shows which league is more valued. The market has spoken.
     
  2. upstater

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    Where's your schedule. Show it. We're on ESPN, ESPN2 and CBS 16 times. You're not on FS1 24 times, that's BS, and FS1 is not even as watched as the 3 channels UConn is on. Face facts.
     
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    BE is releasing it's schedule next week, since many of the teams play in pro arenas, unlike the bottom half of the AAC which looks like it must play in HS gyms.

    PC is on national TV 24 times (per HC) and all BE games are on FOX Sports channel(s). That is a fact. How many are on FS1 and FS2 we'll find out next week.
     
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    FS2 has little reach and is frickin hard to find. I literally spent 10 minutes on my DirectV guide until I found it. You will be buried there never to be seen from or heard again. Mr. Chukwu just gave up 16 appearances on ESPN and CBS.
     
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    I would expect SMU’s to go up a lot due to the better competition and their high profile new coach (Larry Brown), their arena hold just under 9,000.
     
  7. dmac80

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    Well you just showed that DirectTV has it, and I know FIOS has it, so that right there is 10s of millions of homes. Not sure about who else does or doesn't carry it, but I don't think you know either.

    Don't disagree there, FS2 is buried on my FIOS lineup. You think it will stay there? I highly doubt it. FS1 is right after the ESPNs and NESN and before the NFL, NBA, and NHL networks, so its right where it should be. Fox Soccer (which I hear is going away for another fox property) will likely be replaced in the lineup as FS2, the very next channel up from FS1. This is on FIOS.

    Chukwu comes in next year, so by then FS1 and FS2 should be firmly established on all the carriers and their lineups. Further none of us knows which games will be on FS1 or FS2 yet. Plus PC is on Nat TV 24 times, I only know 18 are on Fox Sports, the other 6 could be/will be on one of the other major stations. Thats for this year, we'll see what next year brings. Sorry but Fox didn't pay the BE 500 million dollars to bury it. It will be out there for all to see. The AAC was tossed scraps from ESPN, and may not get another contract after that. Fact..
     
  8. upstater

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    Your hopes are a wing and a prayer. By the way, it's no secret how many homes FS2 reaches.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fox-sports-1s-launch-week-608252

    Even the PC board is complaining as there is a lack of access in the state of RI.

    Fox initially described FS2 as carrying reruns of FS1 shows:
    Why this would drive anyone to 2 when they can get most of it on 1 is a mystery. 1 doesn't have enough compelling TV let alone 2.

    Are you even aware of what the ratings were like for BE basketball when top ranked teams played on ESPN? Think about the new reality with that perspective in mind.

    And again, UConn has more than 24 games on national TV but I'm not going to celebrate games on ESPNU and CBSSN because they are as limited as FS2.

    Any fan with a brain would prefer to be on CBS and ESPN.

    Here's the bottom line:

    1. CBS: 100+m homes
    2. ESPN/ESPN2: 98m
    3. FS1: 90m
    4. CBS SN: 49m.
    5. FS2: 37m

    UConn will be on channels with 100+m and 98m homes 16 times over the course of the year. It will have a few games on CBS SN at 49m.

    PC will be a secret until next week. It might be on in 90m or in 37m.

    As for your last claim that Fox didn't pay each BE team $4m a year to bury them, consider that ESPN is paying the ACC more and that NC State will only appear on ESPN 3 times all year. There is little correlation between the size of the payout and the amount of exposure given to each team. If there were, NC State would be on ESPN/ESPN2 more than 3 times.
     
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    According to their own web site story, all BE games will be on Fox Sports 1:

    "FOX Sports 1, FOX Sports’ newly minted national multi-sport channel which launches this summer, is slated to televise over 100 men’s regular-season basketball games next season. The network is also scheduled to carry the entire Big East Men’s Basketball Tournament each season, live from Madison Square Garden in New York City, the tournament’s home since 1983, and the longest-running conference tournament played at one venue."

    http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebas...-multi-platform-media-rights-agreement-032013

    So all 18 conference games for all teams in 90 million homes. Not bad.

    As you said Fox has to fill up FS1, what do you think they'll be filling it with? Also FS2 will end up showing live stuff, just as ESPN2 does, it will be used for replays and live stuff, whatever they need. But they'll focus most of their best stuff on FS1 obviously.

    From a Villanova site about Fox acquiescing to the lower rate fee:

    "For the Big East, it is clearly a benefit that Fox did not hold out to press the issue on a higher fee. Launching on 90 million set-top boxes was key to the new conference's decision to sign on with the upstart national network. It may even be that agreements with the Big East, NASCAR, UFC and others required FS1 to fulfill a promise to launch the network with that reach, causing them to fold in negotiations."

    http://www.vuhoops.com/catholic-7-n...x-sports-1-will-be-the-largest-sports-network
     
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    Your reading comprehension needs work. It doesn't say that FS1 will carry 100 BE basketball games. It says FS1 will carry 100 games. FS1 has the rights to other conferences.
     
  11. fleudslipcon

    fleudslipcon We are still UConn!!

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    The market took into consideration that Cincinnati and UConn only had two toes in the AAC. The interesting thing is that from a basketball standpoint the AAC may actually be a very good conference in a few years. It will be interesting to see how quickly it is perceived to be equal to or better than the BE. The loss of Stevens could be a big hit for the BE. Of course the AAC is still in a situation where universities may leave. The BE does have stability for now.

    I like the new rendition of the BE and wish it well.
     
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    Fair enough. We'll find out the details when the BE releases schedule next week. I find it delusional how anyone could be excited about the AAC and where UCONN stands (perception and reality of conference strength, attendance, popularity, TV rights, etc) going forward if they aren't invited somewhere else, but I get it, this is a UCONN message board.
     
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    fleudslipcon We are still UConn!!

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    Funny how you could be excited about getting Chukwa and the UConn message board is delusional to see Mudiay going to SMU! I was looking for a fourth team to emerge in the AAC conference when Ville leaves. It looks like UConn, Cincinnati, Memphis and SMU will be better than the top of the BE in the future. Of course we'll see how this plays out in the arena.
     
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    I'd much rather be where UConn stands because of what's coming down the road. Right now, exposure is great.

    We'll also see by November probably which conference is pulling in the better players. My money is on the AAC.
     
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    As of now, on 247 sports the Big East has 6 teams ranked in the top 50 (5 in top 25) for 2014 recruiting classes:

    #4 Georgetown
    #10 Providence
    #13 Villanova
    #14 Marquette
    #21 Xavier
    #31 Seton Hall

    Of course we'll have to see how the teams and leagues do over the next few years + exposure, to see how this plays out long term, but so far recruiting is very strong in the Big East.
     
  16. BoatShow

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    I like how the guy who made the chart put question marks as if it was UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE to figure out UConn's % of attendance.

    2013: 7 Gampel Games (71169)+ 9 XL Games (146646)=217815 possible seats; 181255 seats sold= 83%
    2012: (71169)+(146646)= 217815; 187118/217815= 86%
    2011: 61002+162940= 223942; 186478/223942= 83%
    2010: 81336+162940=244276; 216453/244276= 89%
    2009: 71169+146646= 217815; 200284/217815= 92%

    Five year average 87%
     
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    This sort of thing is meaningless. Let's look at the top 100 when the sigs are on the dotted line.

    I've never been a fan of crediting schools with 6 scholarships to give out simply because they have more than anyone else.

    UConn for instance will jump in rank simply because of they are giving out. Meaningless.

    Let's see who grabs the best players.
     
  18. dmac80

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    You can quibble with the formula, the point is the BE is landing lots of top 100 4 star + recruits still so so far so good.
     
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    I'm not quibbling. I'm telling you it's out and out ludicrous.

    Have you not noticed that most of the top 100 hasn't verballed?

    I'm also telling you that without a doubt UConn will end up ranked much higher than it deserves by the sheer strength of number of scholarships. It's stupid.
     
  20. dmac80

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    1) you ignored the main point again, that the reconfigured BE thus far is recruiting very strong.

    2) it isn't that ridiculous as long as you know that it depends on number of scholarships. Obviously a program with 1 or no scholarships won't be at the top. But a class with 3 4 stars and a 3 star simply IS stronger than a a class with 1 4star, regardless of the reason why...
     
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